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The Veep Debate: Palin Is Back

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By Rich Lowry, New York Post

Last updated: 5:00 amOctober 3, 2008 Posted: 4:40 amOctober 3, 2008

EVERY Republican in America rejoiced last night: "At long last the Couric captivity is over! Sarah Palin is free!"

Palin had suffered through a series of nightly interview bits with CBS anchor Katie Couric that seemed to last a month, with the Alaska governor shedding credibility by the minute. But last night, they instantly became a distant memory.

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Posted by: player 2  
Oct 05, 06:34 PM
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The Guilt By Association Game
by BarbinMD
Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 02:15:12 PM PDT

As discussed here earlier, with John McCain facing the prospect of getting his ass handed to him in November, he has decided that the mavericky thing to do is to swift boat Barack Obama by playing the guilt by association game. Great idea, Senator Straight Talk...but it's no fun to play alone, so let's add a couple of more players:

There's McCain's association with G. Gordon Liddy:

Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if necessary"; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention -- a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain's campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy's radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled "John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07" includes a discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an "old friend." During the segment, McCain praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great," said he was "proud" of Liddy, and said that "it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program."

Point: McCain

And from Paul Begala:

But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said "has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites."

Point: McCain

And we can't forget the mini-Maverick and her close and personal relationship with an America-hating secessionist group:

So, we have Sarah Palin, actively involved with a secessionist group that professes its hatred for America, and whose husband was a card-carrying member of the group for seven years. And don't forget, Todd Palin isn't just the spouse of an elected official. He has been called a Shadow Governor, attending private meetings, being sent on fact finding trips, and being copied on emails that were later "prohibited from being released to the public due to executive privilege." This man would be a 72-year old heartbeat and a pillow away from the presidency.

Point: Palin

And let's add Palin's pesky, but largely ignored, preacher problem. Thomas Muthee, the preacher that Palin said helped her become governor:

...founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.

And while praying with Palin standing by his side, Muthee:

...implored Jesus to protect Palin from "the spirit of witchcraft." The video archive of that startling sermon was scrubbed from Wasilla Assembly of God’s website, but now it has reappeared.

And during that same prayer, Muthee also said:

The second area whereby God wants us, wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It's high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. That's what we are waiting for. That's part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the -- you know -- if you look at the Israelites, that's how they work. And that's how they are, even today.

Yes, Palin listened to him calling for God to take banking and business out of the hands of Jews and later praised him and his sermon.

Point: Palin

Oh, and one more that we can't forget. John McCain's association with four men...in fact, if it wasn't for John McCain's intimate association with them, the Savings & Loan crisis that cost the American taxpayers $2.6 billion, would have been known as the Keating 4 instead of the Keating 5 scandal:

The Keating Five became synonymous for the kind of political influence that money can buy. As the S&L failure deepened, the sheer magnitude of the losses hit the press. Billions of dollars had been squandered. The five senators were linked as the gang who shilled for an S&L bandit.

S&L "trading cards" came out. The Keating Five card showed Charles Keating holding up his hand, with a senator's head adorning each finger. McCain was on Keating's pinkie.

Point: McCain

And on the other side we have Barack Obama who served on charitable boards, along with many others, with William Ayers, who was involved with a radical group when Obama was 8 years old. Oh, and they share a zip code.

Point: Zero

And the winner is, McCain and Palin. But when you think about it, this game really isn't fair. While Obama had no association with Ayers' radical past and has repeatedly denounced it, both McCain and Palin were personally involved with all of their players. But let's let them enjoy their victory here. It's the only one they'll get.

Posted by: WORLDPEACEISGODSPLAN  
Oct 04, 12:38 PM
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SENATOR JOHN 'MAVERICK HOTHEAD' MCCAIN is 100% UNFIT FOR U.S. PRESIDENT and COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF!!!

IF ELECTED, JOHN MCCAIN WOULD START WORLD WAR 3 BY DROPPING NUCLEAR BOMBS ON IRAN - and HE DOES NOT CARE THAT THE ENTIRE PLANET EARTH AND ALL ITS LIFE WILL BE DESTROYED IN AN NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST !!!!

***Posted by PH.D HIGHLY DECORATED 100% DISABLED VIETNAM VETERAN who was WOUNDED 3X IN COMBAT and RECEIVED BRONZE STAR

FACT#1
Senator John McCain DOES NOT POSSESS ONE IOTA of SOUND HUMANISTIC MORAL PRESIDENTIAL TEMPERMENT, WISDOM, INTEGRITY, and VISION because JOHN MCCAIN IS A SADISTIC IMMORAL WARMONGER AND SATANIC LUNATIC! After 9/11, the U.S. WAR WITH IRAQ WAS SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN’S BRAINCHILD – and was borrowed and used by President Bush and VP Dick Cheney! It was also JOHN MCCAIN'S WRONG IDEA that IRAQ POSSESSED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

IRAQ WAR STATISTICS from MAY 2003 to SEPTEMBER 2008:
*U.S TAXPAYERS SPENT $989 BILLION DOLLARS IN IRAQ @ $341 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY
*4,177 AMERICANS HAVE DIED IN COMBAT
*1.2 MILLION IRAQI DEATHS
*34,000 AMERICANS WOUNDED IN COMBAT

JOHN MCCAIN'S NICKNAME in the U.S. CONGRESS is "SENATOR HOTHEAD" BECAUSE OF HIS VIOLENT TEMPER! According to former Democratic Phoenix AZ Mayor Paul Johnson who knew McCain personally for over 20-years: "JOHN MCCAIN’S VOLATILITY BORDERS IN THE AREA OF BEING UNSTABLE. BEFORE I LET THIS GUY PUT HIS FINGER ON THE NUCLEAR BUTTON AS U.S. PRESIDENT, I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE CONSIDERABLE PAUSE.”

According to former U.S. Congressman John LeBoutillier (R-NY): “I THINK SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN IS MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT."

According to fellow GOP Senator Pete Domenici (R-NM): “I WOULD NOT WANT JOHN MCCAIN TO EVER BE PRESIDENT AND NEAR AMERICA’S NUCLEAR TRIGGER EVER.”

According to fellow GOP Senator Bob Smith (R-N.H): "JOHN MCCAIN’S UNCONTROLLABLE TEMPER WOULD PLACE THIS COUNTRY AT SERIOUS RISK IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS, AND THE WORLD IN GRAVE DANGER."

According to fellow Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA): “JOHN MCCAIN HAS A HUGE ANGER PROBLEM THAT I HAVE SEEN EXPLODE ON THE U.S. SENATE FLOOR AT LEAST 50 TIMES. JOHN MCCAIN’S VOLATILE TEMPER MAKES HIM UNFIT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.”

According to retired U.S. General Paul Eaton who was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004: “I am a very worried by John McCain’s knee-jerk response factor. I find it scary that McCain’s first reactions are highly volatile. He does not posses the right temperament and intellect to be President."

FACT #2
IS THERE ANYTHING HUMOROUS OR FUNNY ABOUT WAR AND ITS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION? Evidently JOHN MCCAIN THINKS WAR IS FUNNY!

In MAY 2007, JOHN MCCAIN was asked what should be done about IRAN. McCain responded by singing, "BOMB BOMB IRAN - BOMB BOMB IRAN" to the tune of the Beach Boy's song Barbara Ann.

Likewise in Febuary 2006, JOHN MCCAIN stated to the Munich Conference on Security Policy: "IF DIPLOMACY FAILS, THE U.S. MUST KEEP THE NUCLEAR BOMB MILITARY OPTION ON THE TABLE TO PREVENT IRAN FROM HAVING AN ARMED NUCLEAR WEAPONS."

This means that IF ELECTED U.S. PRESIDENT, JOHN MCCAIN IS PREPARED TO IGNITE WORLD WAR 3 WITH IRAN, HAS NO QUALMS ABOUT DROPPING AN ATOMIC BOMB ON IRAN, AND DOES NOT CARE THAT THE ENTIRE PLANET EARTH AND ALL LIFE WILL BE DESTROYED IN AN ARMAGEDDON NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST !!!!

FACT#3
According to Webster’s Dictionary, a MAVERICK is defined as an egotistical politician who takes an independent stand apart from his or her political party.

Senator John McCain is ALWAYS BOASTING that he is a MAVERICK as if this were a POSITIVE QUALITY and SOME QULAITY TO BE PROUD OF to become a highly successful effective U.S. Senator or U.S. President!

Most intelligent Americans clearly know that BEING A MAVERICK like Senator John McCain is a DANGEROUS ANTI-SOCIAL NEGATIVE QUALITY for any U.S. Senator or President to possess because MAVERICKS DO NOT WORK WELL WITH OTHER POLITICAL LEADERS IN A TEAM and DO NOT ACCEPT OTHER POLITICAL LEADERS’S IDEAS and RECOMMENDATIONS on WHAT IS AMERICA’S BEST INTERESTS.

FACT#4
All top rated U.S. Presidents of the 20th Century like FDR, HARRY TRUMAN, DWIGHT EISENHOWER, JFK, LBJ, AND RONALD REAGAN WERE SUCCESSFUL LEADERS WHO POSSESSED HUMANISTIC MORAL CHARACTERS THAT INSPIRED THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS TO TRUST and follow their goals for protecting America’s economic well being and national security. All top rated U.S. Presidents applied TEAM WORK STRATEGIES (not MAVERICK STRATEGIES) in directing their cabinet teams to work effectively with the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives in passing critical bi-partisan legislation.

FACT#5
In all successful professional careers (i.e. sports, military, education, business, government, politics, etc.), the highest levels of all human achievement have been attained by TEAMS WORKING IN HARMONY with TEAMWORK AS A GROUP – NOT WORKING AS MAVERICKS!

FACT#6
No top rated U.S. Presidents of the 20th Century (FDR, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, and Ronald Reagan) HAS EVER BEEN A MAVERICK – they ALL ABOVE MENTIONED PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN TEAM PLAYERS for their POLITICAL PARTY and COUNTRY!

The USA HAS NEVER ELECTED a MAVERICK like SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN as its President and Commander in Chief!

FACT #7
Senator John McCain DOES NOT POSSESS THE RIGHT-STUFF HUMANISTIC MORAL CHARACTER and TEMPERMENT to be elected U.S. President and Commander-in-Chief!

Senator John McCain IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR just like PRES. RICHARD NIXON and cannot be trusted to PUT AMERICA'S BEST INTERESTS FIRST and ABOVE HIS OWN INDIVIDUAL INTERESTS and POLITICAL AGENDA!!!

Senator John McCain EVIL DEEDS HAVE BETRAYED AMERICA’S BEST INTERESTS time and time again during his service in the U.S. Navy and Congress.

FACT #8
Senator John McCain’s is so CORRUPT SPIRITUALLY that HE WILL DO ANYTHING to BE ELECTED PRESIDENT including PUTTING HIS OWN COUNTRY IN HARM'S WAY by SELECTING ALASKAN GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN as his VP nominee when SHE IS 100% UNQUALIFIED TO BE U.S. PRESIDENT in EVERY WAY ACCORDING TO MILLIONS INTELLIGENT EDUCATED AMERICANS - including MANY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS!

FACT #9
JOHN MCCAIN IS A CROOK AND LIAR LIKE PRES. “TRICKY DICK” NIXON!!
Senator John McCain was one of the KEATING FIVE, five U.S. Senators investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips. The KEATING FIVE were accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBcool smiley.

CHARLES KEATING WAS CONVICTED OF RACKETEERING AND FRAUD IN BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL COURT AFTER HIS LINCOLN SAVINGS & LOAN COLLAPSED, COSTING U.S. TAXPAYERS $3.4 BILLION. The U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s was the failure of 747 savings and loan associations (S&Ls) in the United States. The ULTIMATE COST OF THE U.S. SAVINGS AND LOAN CRISIS IS ESTIMATED TO HAVE TOTALED AROUND $160.1 BILLION, ABOUT $124.6 BILLION OF WHICH WAS DIRECTLY PAID FOR BY THE U.S. TAXPAYER.

Though not convicted of anything, Senator John McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

After lengthy investigation, THE SENATE ETHICS COMMITTEE DETERMINED IN 1991 THAT SENATORS JOHN GLENN AND JOHN MCCAIN WERE HIGHLY CRITICIZED FOR HAVING “EXERCISED POOR JUDGMENT”.

FACT #10
SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN WAS THE U.S. NAVY’S WORST PILOT and WORST STUDENT AT ANNAPOLIS GRADUATED 894TH IN A CLASS OF 899

EVERYTHING WE HAVE EVER HEARD ABOUT SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN BEING A WAR HERO IS A COMPLETE LIE

Despite graduating in the bottom 1% of his Annapolis class, John McCain was offered the most sought-after Navy assignment - to become an aircraft carrier pilot. WHY? BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS A 4-STAR U.S. NAVY ADMIRAL! The most accomplished midshipmen compete furiously for the few carrier pilot openings. After four abysmal academic years at Annapolis distinguished only by his misdeeds and malfeasance, no one with a record resembling John McCain's would have been offered such a prized career path – except a 4-star U.S. Navy Admiral’s son!

So McCain was made a pilot because his father was a 4-star U.S. Navy admiral. John McCain was such a bad pilot that he crashed 5 fighter planes because of his poor pilot skills. Then the Navy made sure he was never in the newest planes, forcing him to fly outdated fighters so his mistakes were less costly. McCain was never in a fighting squadron. "He was thus on the outer end of the flying totem pole."

JOHN MCCAIN, THE BELOW PAR U.S. NAVY PILOT, LOST 5 U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT. ANY OTHER U.S. NAVY PILOT WOULD HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT OF THE SERVICE IF HIS DADDY AND GRANDFATHER WERE NOT FOUR STAR U.S. NAVY ADMIRALS

JOHN MCCAIN WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ALLOWED IN THE COCKPIT OF A MILITARY AIRCRAFT AND NEVER BEEN ALLOWED TO GRADUATE FROM THE U.S. NAVY FLIGHT SCHOOL BECAUSE WAS A BELOW AVERAGE STUDENT AND A LOUSY PILOT.

John McCain’s first plane crash was during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying drinking John McCain lost a second aircraft "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral..."

Flight instructor John McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as "unavoidable" and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the U.S.S Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

John McCain lost his fourth plane on board the U.S. Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet caused by John Mccain’s negligence in wet starting his jet. John McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed innocent 134 sailors. John McCain was transferred from the badly damaged U.S.S Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. On Oct. 26, 1967, John McCain was shot down over Hanoi North Vietnam bombing a power plant and captured by the Vietnamese.

Posted by: Ted  
Oct 04, 10:41 AM
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Rich, After your gushy teenager type reaction to Palin, is Bill Maher right? Maher's explanation for your reaction that you need to get a lay? Is he right?

Posted by: StillNot BuyinIT  
Oct 04, 09:37 AM
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This Excerpt from another article on RCP sums it up well:

"The dumbing down of the GOP"

Why aren't more conservatives disgusted that their party nominated a person devoid of qualifications for the vice presidency (again)?

By Joe Conason

[www.salon.com]

"There was a time when conservatives lamented the dumbing down of American culture. Preservation of basic standards in schools and workplaces compelled them -- or so they said -- to resist affirmative action for women and minorities. Qualifications mattered; merit mattered; and demagogic appeals for leveling were to be left to the Democrats.

Not anymore.

Actually, the Palin phenomenon is the culmination of a trend that can be traced back to Dan Quayle, the undistinguished Indiana senator whose elevation onto the Republican ticket in 1988 had nothing to do with intellect or experience and everything to do with the youthful appeal of a handsome blond frat boy. (That was how Republican strategists thought they would attract female voters back then, which must be why they believe Palin represents progress.) Quayle too was unable to articulate, let alone defend, the policy positions for which he was supposed to be campaigning. He too had to undergo the surgical stuffing of stock phrases into his head as a minimal substitute for knowledge and thought. And in the same sad way, he too benefited from the drastically reduced expectations applied to anyone whose inadequacy is so obvious."

The difference this time is it isn't going to work.

What next - - - in another 20 years we'll be treated to a Lesbian Log Cabin Republican VP Nominee to try to win the Gay vote demographic at a time when the major "get out the vote issue" will be the overturning of all the State Constitutional Amendments banning Gay Marriage?

The current Republican Party bears no resemblance to actual Conservatism. It is instead a cobbled together band of:

1) non-rational religious (EVEN the "founding fathers" who many claim were strict Christians favored rationality and reason over religious dogma),
2) anti-government (except for promotion of point 3 following or to protect the interests of those in point 5 following)
3) imperialist (promoting "national security", again far and beyond any conception of the founding fathers, to the extent of subjugating the world to further "our interests")
4) idolatrous (venerating capitalism and "free markets" above and beyond all other considerations including any consideration of their potential negative effects)
5) Corporatists. Idealizing and romanticizing an institution and form of organization, which is afforded many rights and responsibilities under the law given to actual human beings, as if it were the only organizational form capable of organizing the large amounts of capital required for certain productive processes, and whose very principles of existence and governance, when subjected to review would classify it as a Sociopath were it actually a human being.

Glad to not be part of it anymore.

P.S. to naysayers - I really was. My first vote in a Presidential Election was for Reagan in 1980.

Posted by: pviel  
Oct 03, 05:37 PM
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Rich, You must be a die-hard nobama. Well I think your die-hard battery has run out of power.

This especially is an indication:

" Last night, Palin plainly had two ingredients that were missing from her network TV interviews, and they made all the difference:

* She was more familiar with the substance. If she'd been as well-briefed and comfortable with the material before those interviews, the McCain campaign could have spared itself weeks of bad publicity.

* She'd learned to sidestep questions she found awkward and steer the discussion onto better ground for her (usually energy policy).

Put those together with her off-the-charts likeability, and you could see why she was a political force that so confounded the opposition in Alaska.

Yes, there were obvious weak points in her knowledge. She didn't defend McCain effectively on deregulation, didn't rebut Biden's detailed critique of McCain's health-care plan and seemed at sea in answering a question about nuclear policy. "

More familar with substance? You have to be kidding her answers were stilted and inexplicably strewn with smiles, winks and jocularity which wile cute reminded me of Reese Witherspoon's performance in "Legally Blond" or "Election" less the depth of character. To memorize talking points isn't considered substance - even to Joe six-pack. The think McCain/Palin's Campaign handler's don't understand is that Joe Six-Pack is NOT as simple-minded as the campaign thinks they are.

Actually it's the common sense voters who recognize side-stepping is a sure sign of ignorance. Knowledge of one subject is not really what we need in a President or Vice President. The obvious throwing around of terms like Joe Six Pack and the droppin' of "G" in "ing" words doesn't make a person worth $1.2 million a person of the people of main street or the side streets.

Speaking of the deregulation king doesn't endear this ticket to anyone hurt or having lost homes, jobs, or savings. This debate was a joke and Palin's performance was like a balance beam performance who lands on the bar wiggles and waves her arms bends for almost a minute but stays on the bar and gets low marks. She looks like Mary Poppins but acts like Mary Muffin.



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