caryn Wrote:
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> To those of you that feel Hillary was disrespected
> by the Obama campaign, look at the list of issues
> he could have brought up and didn't. The GOP
> would have loved running against her.
> 1. Juanita Broderick
> 2. Hugh Rodham
> 3. Impeachment
> 4. Sandy Berger
> 5. 30% decline in governorships while Clinton was
> in office
> 6. Lost control in Congress during the Clinton
> years
> 7. Frank Guistra
> 8. Rose Law Firm
> 9. Somalia
> 10. Webb Hubbell
> 11. Doug Coe
> 12. Bill Clintons foreign business dealings
> 13. Tyson chicken
> 14. Norman Hsu
> 15. Peter Paul
> 16. Whitewater
> 17. Mark Rich
> 18. Vince Foster
> 19. The millons of dollars in speaking fees Bill
> Clinton earned from Saudi Arabia
> 20. Donors to the Clinton Foundation
> 21. Donors to the Clinton Library
> 22. Monica Lewinsky
> 23. Gennifer Flowers
> 24. Kathleen Willey
> 25. Susan Coleman
> 26. Voting for the Iraq War!!!!
>
> Hillary and in general the Clintons could have
> been dragged in the mud. Obama did not touch any
> of these isssues. Had the shoe been on the other
> foot, you know Hillary and Bill would have been
> attacking Obama 24/7.
>
> Obama played by the rules. Hillary signed the
> DNC's agreement concerning Michigan and Florida
> and insisted on changing the rules when it was
> obvious she needed their support to have a chance.
>
>
> The Obama campaign has taken anything and
> everything that both the Clintons and the GOP have
> thrown at him and held his own fairly well. The
> Obama campaign has treated the Clintons with kid
> gloves. OBAMA '08


the problem with your list is 74 % are just plain lies. The rest everyone knows about. If obummer tried to say anything, he would come across too bitter.

azgregg

What makes you think that Hillary will be a viable candidate in 2012? We already know about her from her husband's presidency, and what we see we really don't like. I think that by 2012 or 2016, Hillary will be less popular than she is now. Maybe the best thing the Clintons can do is to go back to being public servants and not try to make a comeback.

Sue Mieh Wrote:

Doing so will help you to realize that we are all one
> people in this world, connected by humanity and
> the basic needs for love and survival.
>
> In the words of Bob Marley:
>
> "One love, one heart
> Let's get together and feel all right
> Hear the children crying (One love)
> Hear the children crying (One heart)
> Sayin', "Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I
> will feel all right."
> Sayin', "Let's get together and feel all right."
_________________________________

Sue Mieh, why don't you run on over to Trinity Church in Chicago, take to the pulpit, and sing this Marley song loud & clear to the hate-filled, white-hating congregants there?

To you and all Obama-bots, all I can say is:

"Let there be peace on earth,
and let it begin with me..."

EVERYBODY: please, stop bashing Hillary. You are all only hardening the resolve of her supporters to NOT support Obama!

Most of the stuff detractors have said about the Clintons have originated with the right-wing Republican smear machine, which plagued the Clintons all during their administration. Read Hillary's book: "Living History." All of the awful things of which they've been accused are just plain LIES. There is NO TRUTH to any of this stuff. They have never been convicted of ANYTHING. Report after report came out saying there was no wrong doing, after nearly $10 million spent by Ken Starr & others to drag them through the mud. It is just plain immoral to falsely accuse people of things. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Words to live by...

And, Dick Morris, why don't you fold up your slime machine & go back under that ugly, black rock you live under?

First, she won by more than 22 pts, so even if there was a poll citing 22% of people voting against him because he was black, that still wouldn't have made up the difference.

Second, there was no poll that said that 22% of the voters voted based on race.

Third, of the ones who said race was a factor, a significant chunk, both white and black voted FOR Obama. Race is a factor for me - it gives Obama bonus points in my book because like MOST American's I would love to see our first Black President, (even if I think Obama is not qualified to be that man).

Fourth, in every single primary exit poll, MORE democrats said the nation was ready for a Black President than a female President. Of course there are some idiots who won't vote for a black man but there are MORE that won't vote for a woman. Every single poll said the same thing. So whatever discrimination there was against Obama, it was probably outweighed by discrimination against her.

Sorry the black population wasn't large enough to cary the state for him with their understandable but mindless passion for him, (to be clear I do not assert that black people are mindless in general, just that thier passion for Obama is rooted in their pride at seeing a black man who can win for the first time, not any of his policies, experience or actual message), but don't blame racism for his defeats.


poppycock Wrote:
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> JWilson post 112 wrote:
>
> Yes.. because lord knows when polls show that 22%
> of voters based on race, and with the Bradley
> effect consideration - racism, in fact, WAS the
> point of difference.
> ----------------------------------
>
> Wilson, 24% of the black vote that voted for
> Obama in NC said race was a factor.

Sharpton Keepin it Real Wrote:
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> Sylvia Jackson wrote:
>
> "Obama behaved badly in this campaign, he
> disrespected Hillary"
>
> Save it Sylvia Jackson, we know you are a
> Republican troll trying to spread discord, no one
> believes that Barack mistreated Hillary during the
> campaign, if anything he treated her with kid
> gloves, knowing that as a relatively young Black
> man or a man period - he could not be seen
> mistreating the elderly ex-first lady - so save
> that crap.

One more flat out LIE from an Obama supporter. You can argue that he didn't treat her unfairly - though you would be wrong it is a judgement call - but you can not claim any credibility whatsoever when you choose to assert that "no one believes that barack mistreated Hillary". Millions of us do. Millions of us former Democrats do.

And calling anyone who disagrees with you a 'troll' is just one more example of the ugliness coming from Obama supporters. That you guys claim to like his message of hope and unity while calling anyone who disagrees with you any name you can think of is scary - it's certain proof to me that you guys aren't about unity or hope at all.

Molly Pitcher Wrote:
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> Trust me, Sharpton. There will be no federal ban
> on abortion. Murder is (for lack of a better
> word) regulated by the states. The most that
> Congress could do (and very unlikely at that)
> would be to deny federal funds to agencies
> performing them.

There has never been a federal law PERMITTING abortion, either. It was a decision made by the SCOTUS. That was a mistake. It should be up to the states.

Hillary should not completely concede because she's being PUSHED out by a bunch of top Dem men. That's b.s....and she, and her supporters know it! Her speech was not the real Hillary! [www.hellnobama.com]

In politics it is like a football game in that it is not over under the final whistle. That final whistle comes at the end of the convention when the Head of the DNC states this is our candidate for becoming President. Hillary knows this full well. As I have read all the international papers it appears that the entire world wants Obama to be the next President regardless of what Americans want. However, to the other side of that equation is that the Western world governments are extremely cautious about having Obama as the next President. Remember that Kennedy gave us the Berlin Wall in Germany, the Cuban nuclear missile crisis and then Vietnam. President Clinton then gave us terrorism full scale and refused to stand up to it. The Democrat Party has been trying for ages to get an elite elected as President as it fits their notions of a rosey peaceful world. They will never learn that evil does exist on this planet and it has to be stood up too or else.
Obama has already stated many things in his speaches which I fear the people did not take to heart about his change - get use to doing with less, no SUV's as we have to worry about the world not just Americans. Taxes have to be raised for the larger government, more government control over everything. Capitalism does not equate with the Marxist and Socialism world and American must accept these changes. In his speach to the graduating class when he filled in for Kennedy he makeit clear that capitalism does not work as the graduates should be looking to serve the government and help poorer countries. Clinton knows also that things can happen overnight in politics and she is smart to suspend her campaign. Who knows what dirt will wash out to hit the press in the next couple of months. The DNC has already put a noose around Michelle Obama where she can only use prewritten speaches and take no questions. They are afraid that her racist views will be out in the open.

Is it just me or are Obama supporters always angry and vicious? All I get from this story is that Clinton is a damn good POLITICIAN. Nothing more, nothing less. Good politicians keep their options open. To expect Clinton to concede when it was so close is, for lack of a better word, naive. Obamas supporters remind me of school kids. Win,lose or draw one thing is certain every time.. they are poor winners, poor losers and very naively they just don't believe in a draw.

Order Of The Obama Wrote:
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> Ding dong, the Wicked Witch of the West Wing is
> dead. Barack has liquidated her.
>
> But as I have predicted for weeks, Hillary has
> only "suspended" her campaign so her delegates are
> not released and she can still get the nomination
> if some "mishap" befalls Obama like an "accident"
> or a "sudden illness." Watch your back, Obama.
>
> Dick makes an error when he says she'd be content
> to be Obaam's VP for two full terms and then run
> herself in 2016. She'd be 68 years old then and
> plastic surgery could not make her viable -- look
> how hard it is for a man that old to win.
>
> So if she became VP, Hillary would have to count
> on Barack's dying in office like 7 previous
> Presidents. Michelle knows what that means for
> her husband's life expectancy and she will never
> let Barack put the malevolent, pantsuited liar on
> the ticket.

Dick Morris is a vile piece of trash.

You have to laugh at the way the liberals and MSM ate this speech up as genuine.Pure 100% posturing which the Clintons are known for. They'll take Obama's money to retire the debt then work to undermine him behind his back. It's amazing that so many Dems see no evil when it comes to the Clintons. They are devious people.

#93, your list pales in comparison with just one item - Rev. Wright. Good luck! Hillary was nice. The Republicans won't be.

To all Obama supporter
I am waiting to see Obama's contribution records and attendance records at Rev. Wright's church in the 20 years when Mr. Wright was his mentor. A wonderful speech by a great lady. She would have made a terrific President , if one had given her the opportunity. As of today I have left the Democratic Party and gone Independent. There was nothing democratic about this election process and I am utterly disgusted the way the DNC and leadership treated Clinton. Obama is an empty suit and with his thin resume and his rather questionable association with a radical church , plus the disgusting people he calls his friends and mentors , he should never be considered for the presidency. He severed his ties with them for political expedience and that makes him a real gutless weasel.
A wonderful speech by a great lady. She would have made a terrific President , if one had given her the opportunity. As of today I have left the Democratic Party and gone Independent. There was nothing democratic about this election process and I am utterly disgusted the way the DNC and leadership treated Clinton. Obama is an empty suit and with his thin resume and his rather questionable association with a radical church , plus the disgusting people he calls his friends and mentors , he should never be considered for the presidency. He severed his ties with them for political expedience and that makes him a real gutless weasel.

Many Hillary supporters will rally to Obama. Some will not. Both candidates had strengths & weaknesses. Obama has a light resume, with few really major legislative accomplishments. He has worked across the aisle at times, but in general has a very liberal voting record. He voted present in the Illinois General Assembly over 100 times. Republicans will highlight this. (I voted for Obama, btw, over the carpetbagger Alan Keyes, for Senator)

He has never held executive office. He came out of the Chicago & Cook County political world. He knocked a long time activist off the ballot by questioning her nominating petition signatures in his first race. He backed a handpicked Cook County Board President candidate (saying he thought Todd Stroger would be a reformer) & Stroger has raised sales taxes & decreased the service points for the health care system in Cook County, besides hiring friends, the connected & relatives. He has had ties to Tony Rezko - just indicted, Ayers, Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger & others for 20 years. Despite Obama's efforts of 20 years, South Chicago is no garden of Eden. Change is incremental and I fear expectations are far too high. I just wish he would acknowledge his past errors. I fear more controversial comments form Michelle Obama coming to light. I fear a lot of Obama supporters will be sorely disappointed by more scandals. I question if all his young supporters will turn out in November.

I will still consider Obama strongly in November, on policy issues & fear of more conservative federal court appointments by McCain, who is fairly conservative. But Obama's nomination troubles me a lot.

Dick I hear your door bell ringing Oh I see it is the paramedics coming to take you back to the psycho ward. They say this is the third time you have escaped from there.

Somebody needs to expose Dick Morris for the "dick" he is.

Everybody should know that his rabid hatred of the Clintons had it's genesis when Dick was fired because he let the prostitute he was with listen in on a conversation he was having with then President Bill Clinton.

Come on!! What could Bill do but fire him.

What was remarkable was that the Clintons didn't broadcast his atrocious behavior but kept his secret.

Then when Dick Morris started smearing Bill and Hillary, even Jim Lehrer asked President Clinton why he didn't let the press know why Morris was so angry and virulent.

Why Fox news and any other news outlet should want to hear from him has always been a puzzle to me.

Certainly, what he says is based on his anger and resentment and NOTHING else.

I remember him predicting Hillary's loss, in no uncertain terms, in her bid for the Senate. He is a joke and we should ignore the comments of this twisted, angry loser.

Posted by: Not So Fast
Comment: #128

"the American body politic is a tender box right now."

You probably meant they're a "tinder box," but I think the American electorate are a bunch of @#$%&.

You gotta be shitting me. Race-baiting is Obama politics 101. It is a sad day for America, if he gets elected.

RJII Wrote:
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> I hope this puts and end to all the race/gender,
> blue vs. white collar, etc. divisiveness.
>
> I pray Obama goes with his own choice for VP. I
> want to give him a real chance at changing the
> evil empire. He's going to need someone he trust
> and can blindly depend on. No Billary VPs.
>
> The focus now should be on Obama vs McSame.
> Either you're with us Dems or you ain't. It's
> your decision-- and I respect that. Now let's
> kick butt.

There's an easy explanation for Hillary Clinton's turnaround: The Bilderberg Group. That meeting that Clinton and Obama had at Feinstein's house was a farce; they really were meeting with The Bilderberg Group at the Marriott near the airport. Go to infowars.com for live video on this meeting.

I'm sure that James Johnson -- who is the "leader" of the VP Search Committee -- demanded that they attend a "come to Jesus" meeting -- where The Bilderberg Group demanded that the two put the squabbling aside and get down to business. Of course, most of this was aimed at Hillary Clinton since Obama has been following the script exactly. Does anyone really think that a bunch of representatives and Senators could force Clinton's hand? No, it took the power of the Bilderberg Group to put Hillary Clinton in her place. They probably told her that if she didn't start acting right, there wouldn't be any chance at at VP slot. Clinton's no fool -- she knows her best chance of becoming President is if she's the VP and Obama is assassinated. And there's ample evidence that Obama will be assassinated -- there are even Bible Codes predicting the assassination, but you don't need Bible Codes to know that Obama is making way too many changes for the old guard in Washington, especially those within the military industrial complex.

And the Bilderberg Group isn't a bunch of fools, either. They could see that Hillary Clinton was creating a perfect storm that was going to give the election to McCain -- and the Bilderberg Group knows that the US must have a Democratic President elected in 2008. They probably didn't care whether it was Clinton or Obama, but once it became evident that it was going to be Obama, then they moved swiftly to put Hillary Clinton in her place. Who knows what pressure they laid to bear: maybe threatening her political future, maybe threatening to release incriminating information about Bill Clinton's business dealings, probably both.

You see, the Bilderberg Group knows that the American body politic is a tender box right now. Americans' desire for change (so underestimated by the Clintons and the entire Democratic Party establishment) was made clear by the Obama campaign. And the Bilderberg Group understands that in order to prevent MASSIVE and REAL change in America, there have to be "orchestrated" changes in Washington -- kind of like a steam vent. And this means that McCain can't be elected because at least half of the American electorate would see this as a third Bush term and, as the economy continues to sink, would create an incredibly dangerous situation in America in terms of Americans' desire for change that could lead to a return to the civil unrest of the 1960's. And, in fact, if Obama is assassinated early in his administration, there may be such unrest -- but at least it can be explained. What can't be explained is the civil unrest of half of the country under a McCain administration. I think that's why McCain was allowed (and yes, I mean "allowed") to be Republican nominee: (a) it didn't matter who was the nominee, this election has to be won by a Democrat and (b) McCain doesn't plain by the rules, so setting him up for a real fall in the November election would diminish him and silence him forever.

So, you see, it was the Bilderberg Group that met with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and it was the Bilderberg Group that pulled rank on Clinton and got her to be so conciliatory today. Her desire for "unity" had nothing to do with it. That much was clear from her body language and her tone of voice, where she smiled and was emphatic when speaking of her own campaign and her own supporters, and where she was grim and not-quite-as-enthusiastic-as-she-could-be when she was talking about Obama.

If the Democrats were gullible enough to fall for Karl Rove's divide and conquer strategies, then they are unfit to rule this country through having a majority of Congress, appointing justices and controlling the executive branch of government. Can you imagine the chaos? Democratic party leaders were complicit in this strategy for their own selfish reasons (money and votes - politics.) Obama is arrogant enough to buy his own hype. He participated in this sham of democracy for his own reasons, maybe he actually believes he can win. However, being a puppet of the Republicans does not make him an effective leader, and the presidency is not just some door prize for a political party.

OregonVoter Wrote:
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> In November, if I vote for Barack Obama, it is not
> because I believe in his message, it will be because I have
> a thoery that when Barack Obama took the national stage at the
> DNC convention in 2004, that Karl Rove and company took notice
> and began a quest to divide and conquer the Democratic Party,
> influencing the 2004 Illinois senate race in having Alan
> Keyes, an arch conservative african-american from Maryland,
> running against Obama to ensure his victory and thus his ascension
> into the open arms of the Democratic establishment.
>
> They had to have known about his controversial
> connections in 06, and they
> know that they just need to infleunce a few
> thousand swing voters in
> just a few states to ensure a republican victory
> in Nov. IF they could help Obama
> win the nomination, they would rid themselves of
> the real threat another
> Clinton administration would be to them. And
> divide the democratic party.
>
> Even at this moment, the Hillary bashing, the
> Obama bashing continues.
> Democrats........ we need a miracle to win!!!!!

hugh graham Wrote:
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> Audacity of Hype Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HRC suffered far worse abuse for being a woman
> > than O ever did for being black.
>
>
> Perhaps, but she has never been at much risk of
> being shot for being a woman

There is also the historically rooted stigma in this country of a black man attacking a white woman and what happens to him if he does.

Audacity of Hype Wrote:
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> HRC suffered far worse abuse for being a woman
> than O ever did for being black.


Perhaps, but she has never been at much risk of being shot for being a woman

Don'tScaremewithRoe Wrote:
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> I am still voting for McCain.
>
> Roe vs. Wade scare is silly. Even if it is
> abolished, you still will be able to get an
> abortion at another state, since it will be left
> to the states. I actually think it may be better
> because we would stop discussing it, some state
> want it, some don't. I also don't think they will
> actually abolish is simply because men would have
> to be paying child support for kids they wouldn't
> want to have, so I am pretty sure men would not go
> for it. I am raging feminist in my early 30's
> PhD, East Coast latte liberal, but I think that 4
> years of McCain are worth another shot for Clinton
> in 2012. Otherwise we will never have woman as
> president in our lifetime. I rather have 4 years
> of McCain, then 8 years of Clinton, rather than, 4
> years of Obama, then 8 years of Romney and 8 years
> of Jeb Bush. Sorry....

** I couldn't agree more with this post. Roe V Wade will not 'scare' us into voting for Obama. I am a woman who had an abortion, and doing so has nearly ruined my life. I am a Democratic woman, I don't believe in abortion, and I don't believe in Obama.