The Taint of '68
By Rich Lowry'WHY don't we just vote to strike tonight - and we'll decide to morrow what we're striking for?"
Those were the words of a student protester thoughtfully deliberating at Yale University, as recounted by Roger Kimball in his book on the left, "The Long March." It was a question that captured much of the heedless spirit of the student demonstrations of the 1960s, for which "May 1968" is shorthand. (Back to Article)
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May 10, 07:52 AM |
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"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." How ironic if Marx's words end up describing Obama's presidential campaign.
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May 10, 08:40 AM |
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Really...I thought it was the year Robt. Kennedy and MLK were killed...the liberals who understood the true values of the left. So Richard Nixon's divide and conquer, win at all costs, became the the method of Republican rule. The party of the "Southern Strategy", of Willie Horton, of Swift Boat.com, of mushroom clouds blowing up our cities if we don't elect Bush....but yes, 1968 was the year of the Tet offensive and the "credibility gap"; I believe no Administration has a bigger credibility gap then Bush and the Republicans....Iraq, the economy, housing market, Katrina, energy policy, our civil lberties, global leadership, education, and Katrina. Fourty years later, the Republicans have led this Nation into a disaster of staggering levels of ineptness....and the Nation knows it. See you at the polls, the not so silent majority awaits you!
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May 10, 09:40 AM |
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In 1668 Mark Rudd and a group of full time day students (CLAS) took over Boylan Hall, the administrative Offices at Brooklyn College. Towards the end of the day, most of the day students went home. The part time evening students(SGS) started to arrive on campus but could not attend classes because of the sit in. The part time evening students were mostly students who worked or went to seminary during the day. Many were military veterans. The college administration refused to call the police so the evening students stormed Boylan Hall and ejected Mark Rudd and his thugs. The last time I saw Rudd was when he was running down the stairs of the subway at Flatbush Avenue and Nostrand Avenue. That was the last time any buildings were taken over at Brooklyn College.
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May 10, 09:43 AM |
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I'd worry more about history repeating itself, first as farce and then as tragedy. The strongest link between the 60's and now is ACORN, to which both Hillary and Obama are tied. ACORN's avowed purpose is to expand government, starting at the local level via "community organizers" like Obama. It hopes to build Economic Democracy, which its founders acknowledge is a euphemism for socialism.
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May 10, 09:47 AM |
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You forgot to mention the cause of the protests.
You make it all sound so irrational. If it was irrational, there was a driving force. Rational individuals can be driven to irrational acts when hearing from across the ocean the cries of innocent children and from smelling from afar their burning flesh after John McCain and his cohorts bomb millions of them with napalm and explosives.
Now do you remember?
You make it all sound so irrational. If it was irrational, there was a driving force. Rational individuals can be driven to irrational acts when hearing from across the ocean the cries of innocent children and from smelling from afar their burning flesh after John McCain and his cohorts bomb millions of them with napalm and explosives.
Now do you remember?
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May 10, 11:08 AM |
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Atrooper4,
You are either missing the intended meaning of this article or you are purposely deflecting. The intentions of the author are not to discount the motivational forces the instigated the rise in leftist protests but rather to shed light on the inherent hypocrisy in their actions and to show how fruitless the majority of their causes have become. Were there atrocities committed in Vietnam? Yes. Was there inequality in the treatment of our citizens? Yes. The reaction to such stimuli with violent protests and authoritarian suppression of free speech in the name of freedom is ultimately what has undermined the results desired. Such actions launched the new left and have been a pattern from which it has defined its actions. In the name of equality the left has created inequality through handouts, quotas, and laws designed to oppress the expression of the majority. We can thank those individuals for launching the movement which has created our litigious, anti-civil liberties, anti-business, pro-taxation, and anti-self-reliance society. What is most laughable about the entire scenario is that in the name of fighting imperialistic and oppressive government, the left has helped to empower the government to never before seen levels of size and scope while simultaneously limiting the citizen to fewer and fewer liberties through government intervention and fear.
You are either missing the intended meaning of this article or you are purposely deflecting. The intentions of the author are not to discount the motivational forces the instigated the rise in leftist protests but rather to shed light on the inherent hypocrisy in their actions and to show how fruitless the majority of their causes have become. Were there atrocities committed in Vietnam? Yes. Was there inequality in the treatment of our citizens? Yes. The reaction to such stimuli with violent protests and authoritarian suppression of free speech in the name of freedom is ultimately what has undermined the results desired. Such actions launched the new left and have been a pattern from which it has defined its actions. In the name of equality the left has created inequality through handouts, quotas, and laws designed to oppress the expression of the majority. We can thank those individuals for launching the movement which has created our litigious, anti-civil liberties, anti-business, pro-taxation, and anti-self-reliance society. What is most laughable about the entire scenario is that in the name of fighting imperialistic and oppressive government, the left has helped to empower the government to never before seen levels of size and scope while simultaneously limiting the citizen to fewer and fewer liberties through government intervention and fear.
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May 10, 12:24 PM |
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Print media is often dominated by misguided views of history, but I have rarely seen a more perverse piece of journalism than this article by Rich Lowry. Mr. Lowry must of been part of an alternative reality in 1968. First we learn that an entire generation of Americans was wounded on the beaches of Normandy during WWII only to be accused of being fascists by their ungrateful offspring. Then we learn that Mark Rudd and the Weather Underground were in fact the heart of the 1960's peace movement which ultimately produced all that is wrong with the world today.
Apparently Mr. Lowry missed the part about millions of Americans going into the streets all over our country to say no to a war that was killing our finest young men. He missed the part about 500,000 Americans marching on Washington to exercise their rights as citizens. And I suppose Mr. Lowry would view the enormous progress in our country in race relations, civil rights and cultural expression as wholly unrelated to the activism of the 1960's generation.
This kind of revisionist history is neo-conservatism at its worst.
Apparently Mr. Lowry missed the part about millions of Americans going into the streets all over our country to say no to a war that was killing our finest young men. He missed the part about 500,000 Americans marching on Washington to exercise their rights as citizens. And I suppose Mr. Lowry would view the enormous progress in our country in race relations, civil rights and cultural expression as wholly unrelated to the activism of the 1960's generation.
This kind of revisionist history is neo-conservatism at its worst.
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May 10, 12:42 PM |
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These are the same people running the Democratic party today. America should punish them in November and deposit them in the dust bin of history, which is still too good for them.
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May 10, 01:35 PM |
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charles malcolm Wrote:
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> Really...I thought it was the year Robt. Kennedy
> and MLK were killed...the liberals who understood
> the true values of the left. So Richard Nixon's
> divide and conquer, win at all costs, became the
> the method of Republican rule. The party of the
> "Southern Strategy", of Willie Horton, of Swift
> Boat.com, of mushroom clouds blowing up our cities
> if we don't elect Bush....but yes, 1968 was the
> year of the Tet offensive and the "credibility
> gap"; I believe no Administration has a bigger
> credibility gap then Bush and the
> Republicans....Iraq, the economy, housing market,
> Katrina, energy policy, our civil lberties, global
> leadership, education, and Katrina. Fourty years
> later, the Republicans have led this Nation into a
> disaster of staggering levels of ineptness....and
> the Nation knows it. See you at the polls, the
> not so silent majority awaits you!
Divide and conquer. That was how FDR rammed through his New Deal.
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> Really...I thought it was the year Robt. Kennedy
> and MLK were killed...the liberals who understood
> the true values of the left. So Richard Nixon's
> divide and conquer, win at all costs, became the
> the method of Republican rule. The party of the
> "Southern Strategy", of Willie Horton, of Swift
> Boat.com, of mushroom clouds blowing up our cities
> if we don't elect Bush....but yes, 1968 was the
> year of the Tet offensive and the "credibility
> gap"; I believe no Administration has a bigger
> credibility gap then Bush and the
> Republicans....Iraq, the economy, housing market,
> Katrina, energy policy, our civil lberties, global
> leadership, education, and Katrina. Fourty years
> later, the Republicans have led this Nation into a
> disaster of staggering levels of ineptness....and
> the Nation knows it. See you at the polls, the
> not so silent majority awaits you!
Divide and conquer. That was how FDR rammed through his New Deal.
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May 10, 01:37 PM |
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RA Wrote:
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> These are the same people running the Democratic
> party today. America should punish them in
> November and deposit them in the dust bin of
> history, which is still too good for them.
Let's vote them in to office. Hold their feet to the political fire. Let them spend the rest of their lives, like Carter and Clinton trying to recover a legacy.
If the USA could survive, that would be real punishment.
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> These are the same people running the Democratic
> party today. America should punish them in
> November and deposit them in the dust bin of
> history, which is still too good for them.
Let's vote them in to office. Hold their feet to the political fire. Let them spend the rest of their lives, like Carter and Clinton trying to recover a legacy.
If the USA could survive, that would be real punishment.
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May 10, 01:40 PM |
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Steve D Wrote:
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> Print media is often dominated by misguided views
> of history, but I have rarely seen a more perverse
> piece of journalism than this article by Rich
> Lowry. Mr. Lowry must of been part of an
> alternative reality in 1968. First we learn that
> an entire generation of Americans was wounded on
> the beaches of Normandy during WWII only to be
> accused of being fascists by their ungrateful
> offspring. Then we learn that Mark Rudd and the
> Weather Underground were in fact the heart of the
> 1960's peace movement which ultimately produced
> all that is wrong with the world today.
>
> Apparently Mr. Lowry missed the part about
> millions of Americans going into the streets all
> over our country to say no to a war that was
> killing our finest young men. He missed the part
> about 500,000 Americans marching on Washington to
> exercise their rights as citizens. And I suppose
> Mr. Lowry would view the enormous progress in our
> country in race relations, civil rights and
> cultural expression as wholly unrelated to the
> activism of the 1960's generation.
>
> This kind of revisionist history is
> neo-conservatism at its worst.
What progress in race relations?
With the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton trying to keep the status quo, circa '68, what progress has been made by the socialist 'liberals'?
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> Print media is often dominated by misguided views
> of history, but I have rarely seen a more perverse
> piece of journalism than this article by Rich
> Lowry. Mr. Lowry must of been part of an
> alternative reality in 1968. First we learn that
> an entire generation of Americans was wounded on
> the beaches of Normandy during WWII only to be
> accused of being fascists by their ungrateful
> offspring. Then we learn that Mark Rudd and the
> Weather Underground were in fact the heart of the
> 1960's peace movement which ultimately produced
> all that is wrong with the world today.
>
> Apparently Mr. Lowry missed the part about
> millions of Americans going into the streets all
> over our country to say no to a war that was
> killing our finest young men. He missed the part
> about 500,000 Americans marching on Washington to
> exercise their rights as citizens. And I suppose
> Mr. Lowry would view the enormous progress in our
> country in race relations, civil rights and
> cultural expression as wholly unrelated to the
> activism of the 1960's generation.
>
> This kind of revisionist history is
> neo-conservatism at its worst.
What progress in race relations?
With the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton trying to keep the status quo, circa '68, what progress has been made by the socialist 'liberals'?
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May 10, 01:45 PM |
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Dmiltion
You nailed it, right on point......... Rich Lowry is spot on.
I was there in the 60's and it was a mess.
The leftists also rely on childish emotional responses not on logic and fact. When the left gets mad they swear and curse and call you names just like the children they are on the playground (but we don't have playgrounds at school anymore !!)
Afuel
> Atrooper4,
>
> You are either missing the intended meaning of
> this article or you are purposely deflecting. The
> intentions of the author are not to discount the
> motivational forces the instigated the rise in
> leftist protests but rather to shed light on the
> inherent hypocrisy in their actions and to show
> how fruitless the majority of their causes have
> become. Were there atrocities committed in
> Vietnam? Yes. Was there inequality in the
> treatment of our citizens? Yes. The reaction to
> such stimuli with violent protests and
> authoritarian suppression of free speech in the
> name of freedom is ultimately what has undermined
> the results desired. Such actions launched the new
> left and have been a pattern from which it has
> defined its actions. In the name of equality the
> left has created inequality through handouts,
> quotas, and laws designed to oppress the
> expression of the majority. We can thank those
> individuals for launching the movement which has
> created our litigious, anti-civil liberties,
> anti-business, pro-taxation, and
> anti-self-reliance society. What is most laughable
> about the entire scenario is that in the name of
> fighting imperialistic and oppressive government,
> the left has helped to empower the government to
> never before seen levels of size and scope while
> simultaneously limiting the citizen to fewer and
> fewer liberties through government intervention
> and fear.
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Dmiltion
You nailed it, right on point......... Rich Lowry is spot on.
I was there in the 60's and it was a mess.
The leftists also rely on childish emotional responses not on logic and fact. When the left gets mad they swear and curse and call you names just like the children they are on the playground (but we don't have playgrounds at school anymore !!)
Afuel
> Atrooper4,
>
> You are either missing the intended meaning of
> this article or you are purposely deflecting. The
> intentions of the author are not to discount the
> motivational forces the instigated the rise in
> leftist protests but rather to shed light on the
> inherent hypocrisy in their actions and to show
> how fruitless the majority of their causes have
> become. Were there atrocities committed in
> Vietnam? Yes. Was there inequality in the
> treatment of our citizens? Yes. The reaction to
> such stimuli with violent protests and
> authoritarian suppression of free speech in the
> name of freedom is ultimately what has undermined
> the results desired. Such actions launched the new
> left and have been a pattern from which it has
> defined its actions. In the name of equality the
> left has created inequality through handouts,
> quotas, and laws designed to oppress the
> expression of the majority. We can thank those
> individuals for launching the movement which has
> created our litigious, anti-civil liberties,
> anti-business, pro-taxation, and
> anti-self-reliance society. What is most laughable
> about the entire scenario is that in the name of
> fighting imperialistic and oppressive government,
> the left has helped to empower the government to
> never before seen levels of size and scope while
> simultaneously limiting the citizen to fewer and
> fewer liberties through government intervention
> and fear.
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May 10, 01:46 PM |
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As in 1968, the silent majority will prevail in November over the loud-mouthed college kids.
McGovern had huge rallies of young people in 1972 and lost 49 states.
The throngs who cheer their Obamessiah at rallies will be bitterly crying into their soy lattes the day after the election.
McGovern had huge rallies of young people in 1972 and lost 49 states.
The throngs who cheer their Obamessiah at rallies will be bitterly crying into their soy lattes the day after the election.
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May 10, 01:50 PM |
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Younger generations are extremely weary of the Boomers. Sadly, we'll all have to wait for the final sit-in before historians can properly gauge the full impact of their hypocrisy.
Thanks for being the first generation to have a tremendously negative impact on our nation's standing in the world. But hey - it wasn't your fault. It was that other dude, right?
That's a good Boomer - keep shifting that blame. We're all victims. Down with the man.
Only now you're the man, have been for quite some time.
Quite seriously - if it weren't for the electric guitar, would your generation have left us ANYTHING worth remembering?
The Baby Boomers: They dropped acid... on the shoulders of giants.
Thanks for being the first generation to have a tremendously negative impact on our nation's standing in the world. But hey - it wasn't your fault. It was that other dude, right?
That's a good Boomer - keep shifting that blame. We're all victims. Down with the man.
Only now you're the man, have been for quite some time.
Quite seriously - if it weren't for the electric guitar, would your generation have left us ANYTHING worth remembering?
The Baby Boomers: They dropped acid... on the shoulders of giants.
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May 10, 02:23 PM |
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Mike H in Cali Wrote:
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> As in 1968, the silent majority will prevail in
> November over the loud-mouthed college kids.
>
> McGovern had huge rallies of young people in 1972
> and lost 49 states.
>
> The throngs who cheer their Obamessiah at rallies
> will be bitterly crying into their soy lattes the
> day after the election.
Obama is distancing himself from the endorsement of Hamas.
He has not distanced himself from losers like McGovern, Kennedy and Kerry.
Obama's loss in NOV will be a twofer as the baby boomer, Clinton will loose and the post boomer liberal, Obama will loose.
If McCain wins, a pre-boomer who fought in Viet Nam will win.
They will need their marijuana 'prescriptions' to ease them into permanent retirement.
Regardless of who 'wins' in NOV, there will be one less incumbent senator. We ALL win with that.
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> As in 1968, the silent majority will prevail in
> November over the loud-mouthed college kids.
>
> McGovern had huge rallies of young people in 1972
> and lost 49 states.
>
> The throngs who cheer their Obamessiah at rallies
> will be bitterly crying into their soy lattes the
> day after the election.
Obama is distancing himself from the endorsement of Hamas.
He has not distanced himself from losers like McGovern, Kennedy and Kerry.
Obama's loss in NOV will be a twofer as the baby boomer, Clinton will loose and the post boomer liberal, Obama will loose.
If McCain wins, a pre-boomer who fought in Viet Nam will win.
They will need their marijuana 'prescriptions' to ease them into permanent retirement.
Regardless of who 'wins' in NOV, there will be one less incumbent senator. We ALL win with that.
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May 10, 02:25 PM |
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We primates are just as vulnerable to social programming as any of our distant cousins. We are able to fool ourselves into believing we are in control, that our actions are visionary, and that individually, we are special. We are social creatures who learn and react in concert. What is believed to be revolutionary, unique, or visionary, can actually be a manipulation of impulses and social conditioners, beautifully constructed by the most sophisticated of technologies. Market-driven, consumer reinforced, rebellion.
One is reminded by the crust of US society (WASPs, Ivy league intellectuals), terrorism is born out of poverty and injustice; A terrorism of desperation and lack of education. Terrorists are said to be arguably always less enlightened, less affluent, and without an understanding of a lessor’s vision. The superior judgment of our most esteemed intellectuals argue terrorist acts will change their ways once they receive the appropriate social (re)education. We are then convinced, once the terrorist reads and writes and money is in their pocket, terror acts cease once they become the lessor.
Then the population is exposed to the socially contradictory absurdities of an alleged antiestablishment revolution showing up in Volvos and VWs as they demand a global, unified WASP culture. The most puritanical judge their social cultivation acutely and act.
One is reminded by the crust of US society (WASPs, Ivy league intellectuals), terrorism is born out of poverty and injustice; A terrorism of desperation and lack of education. Terrorists are said to be arguably always less enlightened, less affluent, and without an understanding of a lessor’s vision. The superior judgment of our most esteemed intellectuals argue terrorist acts will change their ways once they receive the appropriate social (re)education. We are then convinced, once the terrorist reads and writes and money is in their pocket, terror acts cease once they become the lessor.
Then the population is exposed to the socially contradictory absurdities of an alleged antiestablishment revolution showing up in Volvos and VWs as they demand a global, unified WASP culture. The most puritanical judge their social cultivation acutely and act.
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May 10, 02:39 PM |
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as sick as reverend wright's continued attacks on america are, this article is as myopic about america's failures that were not addressed until the 60s generation insisted that the greatest generation do so.
yet ironically, it was also the greatest generation that gave the 60s generation the exact values to so insist. so, we thank them not only for normandy but for insisting that we learn to insist and america should thank us for taking them up on it.
that's why although i don't support him, since lowery mentioned obama, God bless the america that only because of the 60s now allows not only him to run, but hillary too. given the existential nature of the normandy endeavor, the 60s obviously weren't as important, but if i can mix my metaphors, they sure made some much needed repairs to the rotting portions of the nation's roof.
yet ironically, it was also the greatest generation that gave the 60s generation the exact values to so insist. so, we thank them not only for normandy but for insisting that we learn to insist and america should thank us for taking them up on it.
that's why although i don't support him, since lowery mentioned obama, God bless the america that only because of the 60s now allows not only him to run, but hillary too. given the existential nature of the normandy endeavor, the 60s obviously weren't as important, but if i can mix my metaphors, they sure made some much needed repairs to the rotting portions of the nation's roof.
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May 10, 02:40 PM |
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Mr. Lowry mentions a few hundred acts of "terrorism" by leftists that killed almost exclusively just their own members but ignores that to which it was a response. It was a response to the terrorism of the right (KKK lynchings and bombings) and of the right/center/establishment left (the terroristic war in SE Asia that killed millions).
We'll see if the Right is able to move past its taint of racism, militarism, criminal power grabs, and fascist attacks on civil liberties and we'll see if the Left can move past its taint of ineffectual theatrics and excess.
We'll see if the Right is able to move past its taint of racism, militarism, criminal power grabs, and fascist attacks on civil liberties and we'll see if the Left can move past its taint of ineffectual theatrics and excess.
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May 10, 02:45 PM |
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Sorry, but I'm an unrepentant protester from the 60's. That war was wrong, plain and simple and we eventually stopped it. We also helped to end institutional rascism which was prevalent at the time.
The only regret I have is that young people today can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American Idol' long enough to end the current abomination in Iraq.
The only regret I have is that young people today can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American Idol' long enough to end the current abomination in Iraq.
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May 10, 02:55 PM |
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"One is reminded by the crust of US society (WASPs, Ivy league intellectuals), terrorism is born out of poverty and injustice; A terrorism of desperation and lack of education."
WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
I take it the white Catholics and Jews are blameless? Why not just say rich white people?
Given the Boomers have decided to eschew their Politically Correct terminology in favor of "racial profiling" - informing us all of the racial divide in the Democratic primary...
Let's just ditch it completely. As a poor SWASP (Southern White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) - the PC term for my class I believe is actually "Redneck Bigot" - I've never found the Boomer's classification system to be very helpful.
Maybe when they're are all dead, we can revert back to reality. And rather than being divided into classes by the academic and political elitists, we might find common ground as Americans, united to solve our problems.
Either that or provide me a protected classification that automatically validates any asinine arguments I choose to make against another class. And you'll be kindly asked not to speak of my "class" in unflattering terms unless you're a member of my "class" - after which I'll be afforded the right to exclude you from my "class" for your heresy, thereby muting your argument.
WASP = White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
I take it the white Catholics and Jews are blameless? Why not just say rich white people?
Given the Boomers have decided to eschew their Politically Correct terminology in favor of "racial profiling" - informing us all of the racial divide in the Democratic primary...
Let's just ditch it completely. As a poor SWASP (Southern White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) - the PC term for my class I believe is actually "Redneck Bigot" - I've never found the Boomer's classification system to be very helpful.
Maybe when they're are all dead, we can revert back to reality. And rather than being divided into classes by the academic and political elitists, we might find common ground as Americans, united to solve our problems.
Either that or provide me a protected classification that automatically validates any asinine arguments I choose to make against another class. And you'll be kindly asked not to speak of my "class" in unflattering terms unless you're a member of my "class" - after which I'll be afforded the right to exclude you from my "class" for your heresy, thereby muting your argument.
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May 10, 03:07 PM |
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"The only regret I have is that young people today can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American Idol' long enough to end the current abomination in Iraq."
Simon, Randy, and Paula are Boomers. So are the network executives who promote the show.
Poor Boomer - thanks so much for your righteous indignation. Let's you and I go protest Vietnam.
If you want, I can hold an Iraq protest tomorrow. Are you bringing the drugs and the babes, or is that on me? I'd really like to get stoned, get laid, and save some whales while I'm at it. Maybe we can free Tibet afterwards?
Way to make a stand, man! WE DID IT! Now we can't seem to do anything else...
Simon, Randy, and Paula are Boomers. So are the network executives who promote the show.
Poor Boomer - thanks so much for your righteous indignation. Let's you and I go protest Vietnam.
If you want, I can hold an Iraq protest tomorrow. Are you bringing the drugs and the babes, or is that on me? I'd really like to get stoned, get laid, and save some whales while I'm at it. Maybe we can free Tibet afterwards?
Way to make a stand, man! WE DID IT! Now we can't seem to do anything else...
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u say you want a revolution Wrote:
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> We primates are just as vulnerable to social
> programming as any of our distant cousins. We are
> able to fool ourselves into believing we are in
> control, that our actions are visionary, and that
> individually, we are special. We are social
> creatures who learn and react in concert. What is
> believed to be revolutionary, unique, or
> visionary, can actually be a manipulation of
> impulses and social conditioners, beautifully
> constructed by the most sophisticated of
> technologies. Market-driven, consumer reinforced,
> rebellion.
>
> One is reminded by the crust of US society (WASPs,
> Ivy league intellectuals), terrorism is born out
> of poverty and injustice; A terrorism of
> desperation and lack of education. Terrorists are
> said to be arguably always less enlightened, less
> affluent, and without an understanding of a
> lessor’s vision. The superior judgment of our most
> esteemed intellectuals argue terrorist acts will
> change their ways once they receive the
> appropriate social (re)education. We are then
> convinced, once the terrorist reads and writes and
> money is in their pocket, terror acts cease once
> they become the lessor.
>
> Then the population is exposed to the socially
> contradictory absurdities of an alleged
> antiestablishment revolution showing up in Volvos
> and VWs as they demand a global, unified WASP
> culture. The most puritanical judge their social
> cultivation acutely and act.
The cheif terrorist, bin Ladin, is a multi-millionaire as are many who support him.
Those who flew the planes on 9/11/01 were not poverty stricken.
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> We primates are just as vulnerable to social
> programming as any of our distant cousins. We are
> able to fool ourselves into believing we are in
> control, that our actions are visionary, and that
> individually, we are special. We are social
> creatures who learn and react in concert. What is
> believed to be revolutionary, unique, or
> visionary, can actually be a manipulation of
> impulses and social conditioners, beautifully
> constructed by the most sophisticated of
> technologies. Market-driven, consumer reinforced,
> rebellion.
>
> One is reminded by the crust of US society (WASPs,
> Ivy league intellectuals), terrorism is born out
> of poverty and injustice; A terrorism of
> desperation and lack of education. Terrorists are
> said to be arguably always less enlightened, less
> affluent, and without an understanding of a
> lessor’s vision. The superior judgment of our most
> esteemed intellectuals argue terrorist acts will
> change their ways once they receive the
> appropriate social (re)education. We are then
> convinced, once the terrorist reads and writes and
> money is in their pocket, terror acts cease once
> they become the lessor.
>
> Then the population is exposed to the socially
> contradictory absurdities of an alleged
> antiestablishment revolution showing up in Volvos
> and VWs as they demand a global, unified WASP
> culture. The most puritanical judge their social
> cultivation acutely and act.
The cheif terrorist, bin Ladin, is a multi-millionaire as are many who support him.
Those who flew the planes on 9/11/01 were not poverty stricken.
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> Sorry, but I'm an unrepentant protester from the
> 60's. That war was wrong, plain and simple and
> we eventually stopped it. We also helped to end
> institutional rascism which was prevalent at the
> time.
> The only regret I have is that young people today
> can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American
> Idol' long enough to end the current abomination
> in Iraq.
There are millions dead in Cambodia and Viet Nam who will thank you someday.
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> Sorry, but I'm an unrepentant protester from the
> 60's. That war was wrong, plain and simple and
> we eventually stopped it. We also helped to end
> institutional rascism which was prevalent at the
> time.
> The only regret I have is that young people today
> can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American
> Idol' long enough to end the current abomination
> in Iraq.
There are millions dead in Cambodia and Viet Nam who will thank you someday.
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May 10, 03:33 PM |
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You do realize it was the United States that attacked Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos , dropped millions of tons of bombs (more than WWII) and chemical weapons, and destabilized the region. The US undermined the government of Cambodia, positioning the Khmer Rouge to take over, and then when the Vietnamese intervened in the killing fields in Cambodia, Reagan allied with Pol Pot! And don't forget the US-backed genocide in Indonesia a decade before that.
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May 10, 03:37 PM |
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I was 20 yrs old that spring, and was caught up in the stupidity of the left. That generation, my generation owes an apology to our parents and to our children. If liberal ideas had not been put forth then, we might not be facing an election this important, and Obama and Clinton could be in Ill. and Ar. reliving their silly memories and acting like the anarchists of the '20's, instead of on the verge of becoming President and completely destroying the Greatest Nation that ever existed.
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May 10, 03:47 PM |
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And the roots of terrorism go a lot deeper than poverty, although poverty and hopelessness tend to push a society to the kind of desperation in which they will turn to fundamentalism and extremism and violence (why the Israeli policy to Palestinians is self-defeating). But the leadership of groups like Al Qaeda tends to be well-educated and middle class or wealthy. But they come from closed societies, which don’t offer disaffected people a voice. A lot of these people end up in Europe, but by then it is too late and the mentality is set. In a globalized world, oppression and torture and fundamentalism in Egypt or Saudi Arabia can have an impact in Britain, Spain, or NYC. When Western governments prop up awful regimes like those of Mubarak and the Saudis, and when they invade Arab countries and kill tens of thousands of people, blowback is inevitable. Don't forget that Al Qaeda has its origins, in large part, in an Egyptian torture chamber (Zawahiri was radicalized after arrest and torture - a problem we'll face for decades because of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo).
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May 10, 03:49 PM |
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"You do realize it was the United States that attacked Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos , dropped millions of tons of bombs (more than WWII) and chemical weapons, and destabilized the region. The US undermined the government of Cambodia, positioning the Khmer Rouge to take over, and then when the Vietnamese intervened in the killing fields in Cambodia, Reagan allied with Pol Pot! And don't forget the US-backed genocide in Indonesia a decade before that."
Wow - it sounds like someone is up to no good. Must be that other guy.
I'm just glad to report that America has shown SIGNIFICANT restraint since the Boomers took the helm.
What a grand generation. And still in power, too.
What's that? The social security system went bankrupt because you didn't want to pay for it out of your own pockets?
Thanks so much for completely f-ing up pretty much everything you touched. And when you get to Hell, stage a protest.
Wow - it sounds like someone is up to no good. Must be that other guy.
I'm just glad to report that America has shown SIGNIFICANT restraint since the Boomers took the helm.
What a grand generation. And still in power, too.
What's that? The social security system went bankrupt because you didn't want to pay for it out of your own pockets?
Thanks so much for completely f-ing up pretty much everything you touched. And when you get to Hell, stage a protest.
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May 10, 03:53 PM |
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"Yeah. And we made the Tutsi and Hutu kill each other too."
Actually it was the British that created "Tutsis" and "Hutus" as competing "tribes" as a method of colonial control, which created a lot of resentments. But the US didn't back a Hutu coup or arm them or give them a list of leftists to be killed, so it is very different from Indonesia.
Actually it was the British that created "Tutsis" and "Hutus" as competing "tribes" as a method of colonial control, which created a lot of resentments. But the US didn't back a Hutu coup or arm them or give them a list of leftists to be killed, so it is very different from Indonesia.
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May 10, 03:55 PM |
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"What a grand generation. And still in power, too."
Yes, it is time for a new generation of leadership.
Yes, it is time for a new generation of leadership.
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May 10, 04:43 PM |
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The republicans were dirty racist, warmongering pigs in 1968, and they remain the same lying pigs today. Its no wonder the nation is turning against the neo-con ideology. Bush is a moron, and McSame is a doddering old fool that can't REMEMBER WHAT STATE HE IS IN>now theres some leadership for you. Blame everything on 60's radicals like thats relevant today, how pathetic. The GOP, the party of Southern white males, and no new ideas. You've lost 2 special elections in heavily red districs, what does that say for you? Lowry thinks bringing up 1968 will energize a shrinking GOP base? Us Democrats know you'll go all "karl Rove" this fall, only one problem goopers, Obama will fight back and he has mountains of cash. He has grassroots support and he is a fighter. Tell your boy McSame to stock up on the geritol, he'll need it. See ya in November puppy boys.
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May 10, 04:47 PM |
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When can we stop hearing about the 60's? 1968 was 40 years ago, and frankly, it's time to get over it and move on. Boomers, get thee to a retirement home before you bankrupt social security--you can fight the culture war there if that's your idea of a good time...
BTW, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Obama. Let's see, he was seven years old in 1968 (I was five). For him, reliving the 60's would consist of playing kickball and watching cartoons.
BTW, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Obama. Let's see, he was seven years old in 1968 (I was five). For him, reliving the 60's would consist of playing kickball and watching cartoons.
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May 10, 05:07 PM |
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Wow, I really better get on the ball -
I'd hate to be in my 50s and still blaming other people. Waaaahhhhh! How sad and pathetic.
You old codgers could at least do us a favor and stop smothering us with your boring, tired old ideology.
Or did y'all plan out this whole Iraq war thing just so you could take your kids to protests? Relive the good ol' days?
It's just SO sad to see a 20 year old, running around sporting a 60's peace symbol.
Let's see - you've named every following generation "X", "Y" - have you gotten to "Z" yet?
Did all those drugs completely fry your creativity?
I gotta get back to watching American Idol.
I'd hate to be in my 50s and still blaming other people. Waaaahhhhh! How sad and pathetic.
You old codgers could at least do us a favor and stop smothering us with your boring, tired old ideology.
Or did y'all plan out this whole Iraq war thing just so you could take your kids to protests? Relive the good ol' days?
It's just SO sad to see a 20 year old, running around sporting a 60's peace symbol.
Let's see - you've named every following generation "X", "Y" - have you gotten to "Z" yet?
Did all those drugs completely fry your creativity?
I gotta get back to watching American Idol.
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May 10, 05:31 PM |
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"Sorry, but I'm an unrepentant protester from the 60's. That war was wrong, plain and simple and we eventually stopped it. We also helped to end institutional rascism which was prevalent at the time.
The only regret I have is that young people today can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American Idol' long enough to end the current abomination in Iraq."
Right, you stopped the war. Then N VA communists conquered South Vietnam, millions were killed or sent to "re-education" camps, and hundreds of thousands were forced to leave as boat people. I suppose you prefer to forget that part of your legacy.
The only regret I have is that young people today can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American Idol' long enough to end the current abomination in Iraq."
Right, you stopped the war. Then N VA communists conquered South Vietnam, millions were killed or sent to "re-education" camps, and hundreds of thousands were forced to leave as boat people. I suppose you prefer to forget that part of your legacy.
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May 10, 05:32 PM |
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The only ethnic demographic group that embraced the left wing radicalism of the 1960s counterculture in significant numbers was the African American community. Forty years later, they still cling to this ideology. The Black Panthers combined the Black seperatism of the Nation of Islam with the anti-American, anti-Western, Marxist beliefs of the White hippies.
It was the likes of William Ayers who inspired the likes of Jeremiah Wright. The long hair, the rock music, the drugs, etc, of forty years ago provided the culture firepower that continues to propel the conspiracy theories peddled by the likes of Wright. Elijah Muhammad and Farrakhan could not have done it by themselves. They needed Woodstock, they needed Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman, they needed tie dye shirts. White liberals have fond memories of these times, and those memories enable the likes of Al Sharpton to treated as respectable "leaders" today.
Now we've got a presidential candidate with ties to both the White radicals and the Black radicals of the 1960s. Liberals will cry "stop playing the race card" and "let's talk about the issues". But the Democrats can only blame themselves for getting themselves into this mess by nominating Obama. The truth is, the only way a Black man could ever get elected president, is if the likes of Cornell West and Spike Lee were calling him an Uncle Tom, a house slave, a sellout, etc. Whoever that Black candidate might be (Colin Powell? Condi Rice? JC Watts?) could actually win the votes of White voters who will not be voting for Obama and make history.
It was the likes of William Ayers who inspired the likes of Jeremiah Wright. The long hair, the rock music, the drugs, etc, of forty years ago provided the culture firepower that continues to propel the conspiracy theories peddled by the likes of Wright. Elijah Muhammad and Farrakhan could not have done it by themselves. They needed Woodstock, they needed Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman, they needed tie dye shirts. White liberals have fond memories of these times, and those memories enable the likes of Al Sharpton to treated as respectable "leaders" today.
Now we've got a presidential candidate with ties to both the White radicals and the Black radicals of the 1960s. Liberals will cry "stop playing the race card" and "let's talk about the issues". But the Democrats can only blame themselves for getting themselves into this mess by nominating Obama. The truth is, the only way a Black man could ever get elected president, is if the likes of Cornell West and Spike Lee were calling him an Uncle Tom, a house slave, a sellout, etc. Whoever that Black candidate might be (Colin Powell? Condi Rice? JC Watts?) could actually win the votes of White voters who will not be voting for Obama and make history.
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May 10, 05:34 PM |
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"There are millions dead in Cambodia and Viet Nam who will thank you someday."
Marjon, you are exactly right!
Marjon, you are exactly right!
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May 10, 05:39 PM |
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"The republicans were dirty racist, warmongering pigs in 1968, and they remain the same lying pigs today. Its no wonder the nation is turning against the neo-con ideology. Bush is a moron, and McSame is a doddering old fool that can't REMEMBER WHAT STATE HE IS IN>now theres some leadership for you. Blame everything on 60's radicals like thats relevant today, how pathetic. The GOP, the party of Southern white males, and no new ideas. You've lost 2 special elections in heavily red districs, what does that say for you? Lowry thinks bringing up 1968 will energize a shrinking GOP base? Us Democrats know you'll go all "karl Rove" this fall, only one problem goopers, Obama will fight back and he has mountains of cash. He has grassroots support and he is a fighter. Tell your boy McSame to stock up on the geritol, he'll need it. See ya in November puppy boys."
Can we say cliche ridden drivel? Stuff like this sounded bad enough in the 60's, now it is just lame.
Can we say cliche ridden drivel? Stuff like this sounded bad enough in the 60's, now it is just lame.
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May 10, 05:49 PM |
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The real analogue of this election is not 1968, but 1972, as is clear by the sudden re-appearance of George McGovern, to endorse an even farther left candidate. The thing that remains to be seen is whether Obama's candidacy will be tragedy, or farce. Democrats will view it as the former, and Republicans as the latter, when the wheels fall off and the whole thing comes apart by November.
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May 10, 05:59 PM |
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> Sorry, but I'm an unrepentant protester from the
> 60's. That war was wrong, plain and simple and
> we eventually stopped it. We also helped to end
> institutional rascism which was prevalent at the
> time.
> The only regret I have is that young people today
> can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American
> Idol' long enough to end the current abomination
> in Iraq.
There is something very sad about those who refuse to learn. War is not always wrong. Sometimes, faced with enormous evil, there simply is no other way to bring about a change of order. Your "nut 'n berries" approach to life is simplistic . You have no idea of the good that was wrought though the American Revolution, the American Civil War, WWII, and Vietnam.
You have no problem with totalitarian dictators who are evil through and through, and who work their evil around the clock. You don't mind that people suffer under the horrors of oppression for their entire lives, or who are jailed for no reason, tortured for pleasure, and murdered for economic expediency.
You don't mind millions of Jews being starved and gassed.
You don't mind millions of eastern Europeans and Soviets being starved and murdered by Stalin.
You don't mind millions of SE Asians being tortured and murdered by Pol Pot.
How you can see others abused the way that Saddam was abusing them, and look away, is beyond me.
Most soldiers cry. Yet they fight the good fight.
Most of them have the advantage of learning something of American history; you haven't bothered.
You do not know why we were in Vietnam.
You believe that you knew more than those who knew more than you.
You had no information, just emotional rejection of those who were charged with conducting that war.
You look down your nose and criticize.
You do not educate yourself, but merely bray about being "right" even though you are wrong.
How can you believe that you are nice; when you have no compassion for the suffering of innocents?
Your arrogant "throw away" statement claiming that you "ended institutional racism that was prevalent at the time" is so mind-boggling stupid, I can't even respond in a few words. You are REALLY confused!
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> Sorry, but I'm an unrepentant protester from the
> 60's. That war was wrong, plain and simple and
> we eventually stopped it. We also helped to end
> institutional rascism which was prevalent at the
> time.
> The only regret I have is that young people today
> can't seem to tear themselves away from 'American
> Idol' long enough to end the current abomination
> in Iraq.
There is something very sad about those who refuse to learn. War is not always wrong. Sometimes, faced with enormous evil, there simply is no other way to bring about a change of order. Your "nut 'n berries" approach to life is simplistic . You have no idea of the good that was wrought though the American Revolution, the American Civil War, WWII, and Vietnam.
You have no problem with totalitarian dictators who are evil through and through, and who work their evil around the clock. You don't mind that people suffer under the horrors of oppression for their entire lives, or who are jailed for no reason, tortured for pleasure, and murdered for economic expediency.
You don't mind millions of Jews being starved and gassed.
You don't mind millions of eastern Europeans and Soviets being starved and murdered by Stalin.
You don't mind millions of SE Asians being tortured and murdered by Pol Pot.
How you can see others abused the way that Saddam was abusing them, and look away, is beyond me.
Most soldiers cry. Yet they fight the good fight.
Most of them have the advantage of learning something of American history; you haven't bothered.
You do not know why we were in Vietnam.
You believe that you knew more than those who knew more than you.
You had no information, just emotional rejection of those who were charged with conducting that war.
You look down your nose and criticize.
You do not educate yourself, but merely bray about being "right" even though you are wrong.
How can you believe that you are nice; when you have no compassion for the suffering of innocents?
Your arrogant "throw away" statement claiming that you "ended institutional racism that was prevalent at the time" is so mind-boggling stupid, I can't even respond in a few words. You are REALLY confused!
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May 10, 06:04 PM |
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Hey JOE!!!
Your guy "Obama-yo-mama" claimed that he has visited 57 of the United States SO FAR.
What's his excuse for being stupid? I mean since he's young and all.
Affirmative action education perhaps?
His teachers let him believe any number was as good as another number? So as to not mess with his tender self-esteem?
Then there is that nagathon queen of a wife of his.
No wonder he's so skinny; she takes all the grits 'n gravy. He gets to suck on the bones!
Your guy "Obama-yo-mama" claimed that he has visited 57 of the United States SO FAR.
What's his excuse for being stupid? I mean since he's young and all.
Affirmative action education perhaps?
His teachers let him believe any number was as good as another number? So as to not mess with his tender self-esteem?
Then there is that nagathon queen of a wife of his.
No wonder he's so skinny; she takes all the grits 'n gravy. He gets to suck on the bones!
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May 10, 06:08 PM |
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WHOOPS!!!!!
A Huge Apology to Joe:
That was ATHENS BOY again!
So, I'll take another whack at Athensboy!
ATHENSBOY: LISTEN UP!!!!
What about your boy SAYING that he had visited 57 of the United States so far????????????
A Huge Apology to Joe:
That was ATHENS BOY again!
So, I'll take another whack at Athensboy!
ATHENSBOY: LISTEN UP!!!!
What about your boy SAYING that he had visited 57 of the United States so far????????????
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May 10, 06:31 PM |
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Athensboy:
Do you know anything about the Republican Party or the Democrat Party?
Do you know that the Republican Party was founded to fight slavery?
Do you know that the Republican Party ended slavery?
Do you know the KKK were Democrats?
Do you know it was Democrats who burned crosses?
Do you know it was Democrats who stopped blacks from voting?
Do you know that it was the Democrats who invented poll taxes?
Do you know that it was the Democrats who invented literacy tests to vote?
Do you know it was Democrat Sheriff's who used whips and chains and water hoses and dogs?
Do you know that it was Republicans who passed the Civil Rights Act ?
Do you now that it was a Republican who appointed the first black Secretary of State?
Do you know that it was a Republican who appointed the first black National Security Council Director?
Do you know that Republicans have a WHOLE (not half) BLACK whom we have begged to run for President of the USA?
Do you know that Bill Clinton AND Jimmy Carter BOTH gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton?
Do you know that George W. Bush GOT BETTER GRADES THAN KERRY OR GORE????
Do you know that George W. Bush went to Yale and Harvard and is the first president with an MBA?
That means he is the first president able to competently read a balance sheet.
Do you know which party controlled Congress in 1968?
Do you know was in the White House from 1960 - 1968?
Have you checked the VOTES for the war during those years?
It's "we Democrats" not "us Democrats."
Now, do you have any other silly claims that are not true?
Do you know anything about the Republican Party or the Democrat Party?
Do you know that the Republican Party was founded to fight slavery?
Do you know that the Republican Party ended slavery?
Do you know the KKK were Democrats?
Do you know it was Democrats who burned crosses?
Do you know it was Democrats who stopped blacks from voting?
Do you know that it was the Democrats who invented poll taxes?
Do you know that it was the Democrats who invented literacy tests to vote?
Do you know it was Democrat Sheriff's who used whips and chains and water hoses and dogs?
Do you know that it was Republicans who passed the Civil Rights Act ?
Do you now that it was a Republican who appointed the first black Secretary of State?
Do you know that it was a Republican who appointed the first black National Security Council Director?
Do you know that Republicans have a WHOLE (not half) BLACK whom we have begged to run for President of the USA?
Do you know that Bill Clinton AND Jimmy Carter BOTH gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton?
Do you know that George W. Bush GOT BETTER GRADES THAN KERRY OR GORE????
Do you know that George W. Bush went to Yale and Harvard and is the first president with an MBA?
That means he is the first president able to competently read a balance sheet.
Do you know which party controlled Congress in 1968?
Do you know was in the White House from 1960 - 1968?
Have you checked the VOTES for the war during those years?
It's "we Democrats" not "us Democrats."
Now, do you have any other silly claims that are not true?
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May 10, 06:52 PM |
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Leftists can best be described as spoiled children in need of a good spanking.
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May 10, 07:03 PM |
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marjon Wrote:
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> charles malcolm Wrote:
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> -----
> > Really...I thought it was the year Robt.
> Kennedy
> > and MLK were killed...the liberals who
> understood
> > the true values of the left. So Richard
> Nixon's
> > divide and conquer, win at all costs, became
> the
> > the method of Republican rule. The party of
> the
> > "Southern Strategy", of Willie Horton, of Swift
> > Boat.com, of mushroom clouds blowing up our
> cities
> > if we don't elect Bush....but yes, 1968 was the
> > year of the Tet offensive and the "credibility
> > gap"; I believe no Administration has a bigger
> > credibility gap then Bush and the
> > Republicans....Iraq, the economy, housing
> market,
> > Katrina, energy policy, our civil lberties,
> global
> > leadership, education, and Katrina. Fourty
> years
> > later, the Republicans have led this Nation into
> a
> > disaster of staggering levels of
> ineptness....and
> > the Nation knows it. See you at the polls, the
> > not so silent majority awaits you!
>
>
> Divide and conquer. That was how FDR rammed
> through his New Deal.
Then you should be especially offended by the Republican campaigns.....and now Hillary Clinton race-class wedge. Or...are you a confused libertarian comfortable with Bush and the Republicans assault on everything you should stand for?
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> charles malcolm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Really...I thought it was the year Robt.
> Kennedy
> > and MLK were killed...the liberals who
> understood
> > the true values of the left. So Richard
> Nixon's
> > divide and conquer, win at all costs, became
> the
> > the method of Republican rule. The party of
> the
> > "Southern Strategy", of Willie Horton, of Swift
> > Boat.com, of mushroom clouds blowing up our
> cities
> > if we don't elect Bush....but yes, 1968 was the
> > year of the Tet offensive and the "credibility
> > gap"; I believe no Administration has a bigger
> > credibility gap then Bush and the
> > Republicans....Iraq, the economy, housing
> market,
> > Katrina, energy policy, our civil lberties,
> global
> > leadership, education, and Katrina. Fourty
> years
> > later, the Republicans have led this Nation into
> a
> > disaster of staggering levels of
> ineptness....and
> > the Nation knows it. See you at the polls, the
> > not so silent majority awaits you!
>
>
> Divide and conquer. That was how FDR rammed
> through his New Deal.
Then you should be especially offended by the Republican campaigns.....and now Hillary Clinton race-class wedge. Or...are you a confused libertarian comfortable with Bush and the Republicans assault on everything you should stand for?
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> Athensboy:
>
> Do you know anything about the Republican Party or
> the Democrat Party?
>
> Do you know that the Republican Party was founded
> to fight slavery?
>
> Do you know that the Republican Party ended
> slavery?
>
> Do you know the KKK were Democrats?
>
> Do you know it was Democrats who burned crosses?
>
> Do you know it was Democrats who stopped blacks
> from voting?
>
> Do you know that it was the Democrats who invented
> poll taxes?
>
> Do you know that it was the Democrats who invented
> literacy tests to vote?
>
> Do you know it was Democrat Sheriff's who used
> whips and chains and water hoses and dogs?
>
> Do you know that it was Republicans who passed the
> Civil Rights Act ?
>
> Do you now that it was a Republican who appointed
> the first black Secretary of State?
>
> Do you know that it was a Republican who appointed
> the first black National Security Council
> Director?
>
> Do you know that Republicans have a WHOLE (not
> half) BLACK whom we have begged to run for
> President of the USA?
>
> Do you know that Bill Clinton AND Jimmy Carter
> BOTH gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton?
>
> Do you know that George W. Bush GOT BETTER GRADES
> THAN KERRY OR GORE????
>
> Do you know that George W. Bush went to Yale and
> Harvard and is the first president with an MBA?
>
> That means he is the first president able to
> competently read a balance sheet.
>
> Do you know which party controlled Congress in
> 1968?
>
> Do you know was in the White House from 1960 -
> 1968?
>
> Have you checked the VOTES for the war during
> those years?
>
> It's "we Democrats" not "us Democrats."
>
> Now, do you have any other silly claims that are
> not true?
I'm sorry but those "Democrats" left the Democratic Party along time ago....and the progressive wing of the Republican Party has been held hostage by the twisted alliance of the Christain Right and the Neo Cons...my friend, deal in the current realities of the Republican Party. What happened to the Party of fiscal Responsisbility....that died with Reagan. Now Karl Rove is destroying your party......20006 was bad but 2008 will be a disaster until you break this dark vice on your party. The Party of Lincoln and TR....America needs that voice and leadership......maybe McCain cant back there once he stops pandering to the "base".
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> Athensboy:
>
> Do you know anything about the Republican Party or
> the Democrat Party?
>
> Do you know that the Republican Party was founded
> to fight slavery?
>
> Do you know that the Republican Party ended
> slavery?
>
> Do you know the KKK were Democrats?
>
> Do you know it was Democrats who burned crosses?
>
> Do you know it was Democrats who stopped blacks
> from voting?
>
> Do you know that it was the Democrats who invented
> poll taxes?
>
> Do you know that it was the Democrats who invented
> literacy tests to vote?
>
> Do you know it was Democrat Sheriff's who used
> whips and chains and water hoses and dogs?
>
> Do you know that it was Republicans who passed the
> Civil Rights Act ?
>
> Do you now that it was a Republican who appointed
> the first black Secretary of State?
>
> Do you know that it was a Republican who appointed
> the first black National Security Council
> Director?
>
> Do you know that Republicans have a WHOLE (not
> half) BLACK whom we have begged to run for
> President of the USA?
>
> Do you know that Bill Clinton AND Jimmy Carter
> BOTH gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton?
>
> Do you know that George W. Bush GOT BETTER GRADES
> THAN KERRY OR GORE????
>
> Do you know that George W. Bush went to Yale and
> Harvard and is the first president with an MBA?
>
> That means he is the first president able to
> competently read a balance sheet.
>
> Do you know which party controlled Congress in
> 1968?
>
> Do you know was in the White House from 1960 -
> 1968?
>
> Have you checked the VOTES for the war during
> those years?
>
> It's "we Democrats" not "us Democrats."
>
> Now, do you have any other silly claims that are
> not true?
I'm sorry but those "Democrats" left the Democratic Party along time ago....and the progressive wing of the Republican Party has been held hostage by the twisted alliance of the Christain Right and the Neo Cons...my friend, deal in the current realities of the Republican Party. What happened to the Party of fiscal Responsisbility....that died with Reagan. Now Karl Rove is destroying your party......20006 was bad but 2008 will be a disaster until you break this dark vice on your party. The Party of Lincoln and TR....America needs that voice and leadership......maybe McCain cant back there once he stops pandering to the "base".
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> Mr. Lowry mentions a few hundred acts of
> "terrorism" by leftists that killed almost
> exclusively just their own members but ignores
> that to which it was a response. It was a
> response to the terrorism of the right (KKK
> lynchings and bombings) and of the
> right/center/establishment left (the terroristic
> war in SE Asia that killed millions).
>
> We'll see if the Right is able to move past its
> taint of racism, militarism, criminal power grabs,
> and fascist attacks on civil liberties and we'll
> see if the Left can move past its taint of
> ineffectual theatrics and excess.
What racism of the right?
It is the left that is making a political living from racism.
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> Mr. Lowry mentions a few hundred acts of
> "terrorism" by leftists that killed almost
> exclusively just their own members but ignores
> that to which it was a response. It was a
> response to the terrorism of the right (KKK
> lynchings and bombings) and of the
> right/center/establishment left (the terroristic
> war in SE Asia that killed millions).
>
> We'll see if the Right is able to move past its
> taint of racism, militarism, criminal power grabs,
> and fascist attacks on civil liberties and we'll
> see if the Left can move past its taint of
> ineffectual theatrics and excess.
What racism of the right?
It is the left that is making a political living from racism.
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cahrles malcolm Wrote:
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> marjon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > charles malcolm Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Really...I thought it was the year Robt.
> > Kennedy
> > > and MLK were killed...the liberals who
> > understood
> > > the true values of the left. So Richard
> > Nixon's
> > > divide and conquer, win at all costs, became
> > the
> > > the method of Republican rule. The party of
> > the
> > > "Southern Strategy", of Willie Horton, of
> Swift
> > > Boat.com, of mushroom clouds blowing up our
> > cities
> > > if we don't elect Bush....but yes, 1968 was
> the
> > > year of the Tet offensive and the
> "credibility
> > > gap"; I believe no Administration has a
> bigger
> > > credibility gap then Bush and the
> > > Republicans....Iraq, the economy, housing
> > market,
> > > Katrina, energy policy, our civil lberties,
> > global
> > > leadership, education, and Katrina. Fourty
> > years
> > > later, the Republicans have led this Nation
> into
> > a
> > > disaster of staggering levels of
> > ineptness....and
> > > the Nation knows it. See you at the polls,
> the
> > > not so silent majority awaits you!
> >
> >
> > Divide and conquer. That was how FDR rammed
> > through his New Deal.
>
>
> Then you should be especially offended by the
> Republican campaigns.....and now Hillary Clinton
> race-class wedge. Or...are you a confused
> libertarian comfortable with Bush and the
> Republicans assault on everything you should stand
> for?
Why should I be offended? I just pointed out it was a socialist democrat, FDR, who was an artist in playing partisan politics to get his New Deal passed.
The Republican nominee is all but established. It is the democrats who are playing race cards, sex cards and class cards.
I am offended by socialists of both parties that want to take more of my money.
So far, Bush and his staff are the only ones in the government who are willing to fight for liberty.
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> marjon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > charles malcolm Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Really...I thought it was the year Robt.
> > Kennedy
> > > and MLK were killed...the liberals who
> > understood
> > > the true values of the left. So Richard
> > Nixon's
> > > divide and conquer, win at all costs, became
> > the
> > > the method of Republican rule. The party of
> > the
> > > "Southern Strategy", of Willie Horton, of
> Swift
> > > Boat.com, of mushroom clouds blowing up our
> > cities
> > > if we don't elect Bush....but yes, 1968 was
> the
> > > year of the Tet offensive and the
> "credibility
> > > gap"; I believe no Administration has a
> bigger
> > > credibility gap then Bush and the
> > > Republicans....Iraq, the economy, housing
> > market,
> > > Katrina, energy policy, our civil lberties,
> > global
> > > leadership, education, and Katrina. Fourty
> > years
> > > later, the Republicans have led this Nation
> into
> > a
> > > disaster of staggering levels of
> > ineptness....and
> > > the Nation knows it. See you at the polls,
> the
> > > not so silent majority awaits you!
> >
> >
> > Divide and conquer. That was how FDR rammed
> > through his New Deal.
>
>
> Then you should be especially offended by the
> Republican campaigns.....and now Hillary Clinton
> race-class wedge. Or...are you a confused
> libertarian comfortable with Bush and the
> Republicans assault on everything you should stand
> for?
Why should I be offended? I just pointed out it was a socialist democrat, FDR, who was an artist in playing partisan politics to get his New Deal passed.
The Republican nominee is all but established. It is the democrats who are playing race cards, sex cards and class cards.
I am offended by socialists of both parties that want to take more of my money.
So far, Bush and his staff are the only ones in the government who are willing to fight for liberty.
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May 10, 07:55 PM |
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Charles Malcolm Wrote:
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> axioma Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Athensboy:
> >
> > Do you know anything about the Republican Party
> or
> > the Democrat Party?
> >
> > Do you know that the Republican Party was
> founded
> > to fight slavery?
> >
> > Do you know that the Republican Party ended
> > slavery?
> >
> > Do you know the KKK were Democrats?
> >
> > Do you know it was Democrats who burned
> crosses?
> >
> > Do you know it was Democrats who stopped blacks
> > from voting?
> >
> > Do you know that it was the Democrats who
> invented
> > poll taxes?
> >
> > Do you know that it was the Democrats who
> invented
> > literacy tests to vote?
> >
> > Do you know it was Democrat Sheriff's who used
> > whips and chains and water hoses and dogs?
> >
> > Do you know that it was Republicans who passed
> the
> > Civil Rights Act ?
> >
> > Do you now that it was a Republican who
> appointed
> > the first black Secretary of State?
> >
> > Do you know that it was a Republican who
> appointed
> > the first black National Security Council
> > Director?
> >
> > Do you know that Republicans have a WHOLE (not
> > half) BLACK whom we have begged to run for
> > President of the USA?
> >
> > Do you know that Bill Clinton AND Jimmy Carter
> > BOTH gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton?
> >
> > Do you know that George W. Bush GOT BETTER
> GRADES
> > THAN KERRY OR GORE????
> >
> > Do you know that George W. Bush went to Yale
> and
> > Harvard and is the first
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> axioma Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Athensboy:
> >
> > Do you know anything about the Republican Party
> or
> > the Democrat Party?
> >
> > Do you know that the Republican Party was
> founded
> > to fight slavery?
> >
> > Do you know that the Republican Party ended
> > slavery?
> >
> > Do you know the KKK were Democrats?
> >
> > Do you know it was Democrats who burned
> crosses?
> >
> > Do you know it was Democrats who stopped blacks
> > from voting?
> >
> > Do you know that it was the Democrats who
> invented
> > poll taxes?
> >
> > Do you know that it was the Democrats who
> invented
> > literacy tests to vote?
> >
> > Do you know it was Democrat Sheriff's who used
> > whips and chains and water hoses and dogs?
> >
> > Do you know that it was Republicans who passed
> the
> > Civil Rights Act ?
> >
> > Do you now that it was a Republican who
> appointed
> > the first black Secretary of State?
> >
> > Do you know that it was a Republican who
> appointed
> > the first black National Security Council
> > Director?
> >
> > Do you know that Republicans have a WHOLE (not
> > half) BLACK whom we have begged to run for
> > President of the USA?
> >
> > Do you know that Bill Clinton AND Jimmy Carter
> > BOTH gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton?
> >
> > Do you know that George W. Bush GOT BETTER
> GRADES
> > THAN KERRY OR GORE????
> >
> > Do you know that George W. Bush went to Yale
> and
> > Harvard and is the first