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WASHINGTON -- The key to understanding how John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate was provided by The New York Times last weekend when it described an episode in which he "tossed $100 chips around a hot craps table."

Gambling with his presidential candidacy is McCain's right. Gambling with the country McCain says he puts first is another thing entirely. And Thursday night's vice presidential debate took place at precisely the moment when a majority of American voters decided that having Palin in line for the presidency is more than a little bit scary. (Read Full Article)

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Posted by: pviel  
Oct 12, 09:47 PM
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Anarcho-Republican Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pviel Wrote:
> > I am so enjoying watching you Republican folks
> > squirm. As the wheels come off all you can do
> is
> > blindly follow over the cliff.
>
> You know come to think of it I did get the
> impression this week while our Nation's finanical
> future tilted over the cliff, Senator Obama and
> his supporters did seem like they were really
> celebrating. ..I get it America's misfortune was
> benefiting his campaign.
>
*** Democrats are actually sick & tired of cleaning up after Republican Party foul ups.
>
> pviel Wrote:
> >Take heart though
> > the Democrats really mean it when they say they
> > want to make this country a better place to
> live.
>
> That is somehow less then comforting, is there
> somewhere special the Democrats plan on sending
> people like myself who disagree with them?
>
*** It will be a better world and guess what? Democrats would like to see everyone succeed even you
>
> pviel Wrote:
> > You will benefit along with the people you
> called
> > names and smugly spouted your nana na na na's
> to.
>
> smug perhaps... but a name caller never ...
> perhaps you identify so strongly with your left
> wing ideas so strongly that you've confused my
> ridicule of them with an attack on your person.
>
*** Well thank you I'll take Left Wing as a compliment
>
> pviel Wrote:
> > This is a done deal we win this time you lose.
>
> "The Fix" is really in Huh??...you know that's
> what I was afraid of...it sure does seem like
> that
> I'm curious what finally cinched it?
> Voter Fraud ? or the compliant Pro Obama
> mainstream Media? and army of Liberal Lawyers?
>
*** Common Sense
>
> pviel Wrote:
> >So blast away - cheer John and Sarah just don't
> be disapointed when they lose.
>
> You might be surprised to find that after the
> campaign is over my plans are to fully support My
> President ..And that will be the man who wins not
> necessarily the one I voted for...But that's what
> grown ups do.

*** I know I've done that with JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush but I hope you stay true to your beliefs and know it's ok to Respect and support but feel free to disagree respectfully.

Posted by: anchorcheck  
Oct 07, 07:04 PM
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No Country for Old Men

The following is my answer to another poster on a message board which follows the stock of a small wind turbine company. The posters are a long time established group, familiar with each other, and occasionally they get into political discussions. One of the posters told me that I should write as a commentator. Well, that’s not going to happen, but I thought I would post this on a political discussion board, where it might create some interest.

The exchange started when I said I might move to Iceland or Croatia if Obama gets elected. OK, I was half joking. But, who knows?

I have embellished my original post to make a fuller case, and I am known as a very lengthy writer. So, read this if you have the wherewithal to get through a long post.


RICHIE:

Anchorcheck, get a grip. It would take a massive switch to get McCain elected, now.

You need to quit watching FIX news. Could you repeat your claim that you would move to Iceland if Obama gets elected, for the record?


ANCHORCHECK:

Richie, it may look grim for McCain this past week, but I just read an article pointing out that there has already been a couple of massive swings in the polls over the past many weeks.

Remember the "Bradley Effect", too. Try running those interactive electoral maps I posted by adding in 3 to 5 points for McCain in the battleground states. I have. McCain wins. Maybe even big.

And then there is the potential movement back to McCain. Americans just might still be having some considerable misgivings about Obama, as he still remains hopelessly vague and quite a mystery man, with little accomplishment.

Is Obama the most hard left candidate to ever run for the presidency? I think the answer is easily yes. This is why the democrats are insisting that looking into Obama’s past is “not fair”, or dirty politics. But, they sent a few score of lawyers up to Alaska to try to uncover dirt on Palin, yet her past has been pretty much an open book. Obama’s past is filled with radical activist and socialist associations. And that is what is being hidden. And the media has simply ignored this glaring issue.

The democrat’s mantra is "No more Bush!". We have heard that stupid mantra from the Bush haters for years and years. It is quite tiresome and silly, and maybe, just maybe, voters are not capitulating into lockstep with these democrat’s delusions that Bush is the devil. Some of the democrats even want to try Bush for war crimes! Thus, it appears that many of the hard left democrats, even Pelosi, suffer from ABDS (Anti-Bush Dysfunction Syndrome).

Voters may simply not believe that McCain and Bush are linked, or that there is anything really relevant about hating Bush. As Sarah Palin pointed out in her debate, trying to link McCain to hatred of Bush is just looking backwards. We need to move on. This election is about the future. The country faces big issues, and needs sober leadership.

Iraq is not really an issue anymore. Essentially, we have won, you know. The “Surge” accomplished this, which McCain bravely pushed, while the democrats brayed that Iraq was an American defeat, and put it front and center as the issue which they would use to win the coming presidential election.

Well, that scenario didn’t work the way the democrats thought it would.

Now, with Iraq, we just need to ensure that we don’t snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and withdraw abruptly and give the terrorists a chance to undue what our soldiers sacrificed for. That would be a travesty for those brave young men and women who fought and some who died.

Then there is the factor of the voter’s tradition of not giving one party both the presidency AND the legislative branch. And you do recall that the Congress has a favorable rating close to that of Hitler during the battle of Berlin, don't you? Is it in the single digits yet? Pelosi is a dried up Wicked Witch of the West compared to our perky Sarah Palin. Sarah could be wearing ruby slippers, maybe, and just needs to click her heels together to make things better.

Pelosi actually turned out the lights in Congress on those republican congressmen who wanted to debate the issue of drilling for oil and gas right here in America! She did this even knowing that, clearly, the vast majority of Americans want to “drill baby drill!”. I think the democrats are so enamored of politically correct ideology, that they actually want oil prices to remain high, just to make their pet alternative energy projects more competitive with oil and gas produced right here in America! And, unlike Palin and McCain, the democrats just don’t want nuclear energy revived. The democrats were the ones who killed the nuclear energy industry 30 years ago. Now here we are with no nuclear pants being built in the past 30 years, and France gets 80% of their energy from nuclear! That’s what aligning yourself with the environmental extremists got them…...and, unfortunately, us too!

Everyone is for SANE alternative energy. But the logical response to our energy crisis is to use true science to find the best methods to transition to them, not politically correct ideology which seeks to jettison oil, gas, coal and nuclear energy. That is just insane.

I am hoping that some type of "Swift Boat" campaign will soon be launched to bring out the exceedingly strange background of your hero, Obama. The media certainly is not doing their job in examining Obama’s past. You do realize that he has actually had very little experience in governance, quite a bit less than Palin, who the democrats decry as being woefully unqualified…..for the VICE presidency!

Go look up and compare Palin’s political career and Obama’s on Wikipedia. Palin started her governmental career in 1992 on the Wasila City counsel board. Obama was a leftist political activist in Chicago at that time. Palin then became mayor of Wasila for two terms, while it wasn’t until 1997 that Obama became a state legislator in Springfield, the Illinois capital. Obama served as a state legislator to 2004, then ran for US senator. He won that race when his campaign successfully got the divorce records of his opponent released publicly, and it was revealed that his opponent had asked his wife to accompany him to a sex club. Obama’s opponent had to withdraw from the race over the embarrassment, and Obama won easily in the disarray of his opponent’s candidacy.

Obama began his senate term in January 2005. In February of 2007 he began his campaign for the presidency.

Palin’s record is pretty well known, by now, with all the scrutiny. Her record has been quite transparent, I think. When she won her campaign for governor of Alaska on a reform ticket, she beat the incumbent republican governor in the primary, and then went on to beat a former democratic governor of Alaska, even though she was greatly outspent by him. Early in her governorship, her favorable ratings were polled as high as 93%, and she still remains the most popular governor in the US, by far.

Here is a question for you. Has there ever been a less qualified candidate for president as Obama? Has there ever been a candidate which even remotely approaches Obama's apparent extreme radical background?

You democrats are trying to sabotage Governor Palin across the internet and the media as being a stupid hick from Alaska. But, she clearly has more practical, as well as executive experience, than Obama.

Obama's main experience appears to be a very fluid familiarity with all things radical, leftist, politically correct, and blackly militant. Somehow, I don't view that type of background as being useful or relevant. In fact, I, and I am sure most Americans, view that type of a background as being a DISQUALIFICATION to be president.

That 20 year dalliance in the Black Liberation, "hate whitey" church fits very neatly within Obama's history. I am looking for the "swift boat" to properly "out" this arrogant leftist in sheep's clothing. Then lets do the polls.

The media has simply had a “hands off” approach to reporting Obama’s disturbing background. But, you can find plenty about it on the internet. Here’s two links:

An "Obama Timeline" at:
http://[colony14.net]/id41.html

A sobering list of "What Obama would do..." at:
http://[colony14.net]/id35.html


There has been very little of an expose of Obama which has not been "swiftly" minimalized by the Obama fawning media. Take Obama’s association with the former Weatherman terrorist, Bill Ayers. The media has just dismissed Obama’s quite extensive history with this man. From my reading, Obama was heavily involved with Bill Ayers in giving tens of millions of dollars to schools through a foundation which had been set up to improve education for kids in Chicago. I’m sure it was never the donor’s intent to do this, but Obama and Ayers and their colleagues set it up so that all that money was channeled to schools ONLY through a filter of radical leftist organizations, which the schools were forced to associate with, and programs were set up to use the funds to teach kids about leftist community organizing tactics, and America’s supposed racial and social injustices. Requests for funds by schools to this foundation to teach math and science were ignored by Obama and Ayers and the foundation they ran together.

Go look this up on the internet yourself. Maybe I got some of the details wrong, but this was the gist of what I recall. It was called the Annenberg Foundation, I believe.

Another point is that we have just had the worst run of economic news since the depression, and its conceivable that things will quiet down for a few weeks before more shoes drop. But, make no mistake that we are facing big challenges in the economic system.

Putting a radical like Obama in the presidency combined with Pelosi in control of the Congress, and Biden in control of the Senate, could just give them a once in a hundred year opportunity to use the country’s worrisome economic straights to permanently change the free enterprise system to a hard left socialist system, which is what Russia, China, and Eastern Europe only recently rejected. Socialism and communism just doesn’t work, and the Chinese, Russians and Poles know this through bitter experience, and finally kicked socialism to the curb.

How Ironic if Reagan and Thatcher finally gave the knock out blow to communism, only to have a new drive towards socialism emerge here a few decades later! It is said that the only place where one can still find Marxists is on the campuses of America and Europe. Most of them are sporting grey pony tails.

I admit, it looks grim for McCain at present, but it ain't over yet. I am very worried, though.

It does look as though Obama will breeze through the election, with essentially no serious background check having been done on him by the media. And, it is amazing that the media is doing such a hatchet job on Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin, while giving a total pass to Obama on even glancing at his strange past.

Eventually, you won't like what you get with an Obama presidency, if Obama breezes to his victory, and gets to have his personalized presidential seal painted on air force one. (Frankly, I find this just as disturbing as Obama’s radical past, that he would take the time to design his own, personalized, presidential seal. This smacks of some kind of extreme egotism or arrogance).

Finally, Obama has one other factor going against him. The democrats have a bunch of little lunatic bloggers and activists who are constantly being mobilized to haunt the call in shows, or to literally SHOUT DOWN the opposition. This happened to the Milt Rosenberg radio show in Chicago when he interviewed an author who has carefully researched Obama’s past. And Milt Rosenberg is a gracious, extraordinarily gifted intellect, and is regarded as one of the smartest men living on the planet today. I have listened to him for a few decades. He is a retired University of Chicago professor of sociology, and a true gift to our country. He has interviewed the likes of Henry Kissenger, Margaret Thatcher, and a myriad of noted authors and intellectuals, and other people of note over the past 30 years he has been on the radio. He even had Obama on his program a few years ago.

Obama’s operatives were instructed to shut down Milt’s interview with this author, and they literally flooded the Tribune’s radio station, WGN, with demands to not carry the interview, and then flooded this call in show with callers when WGN went ahead with it anyway. You can go to wgnradio.com, and click on the Milt Rosenberg show, and look up the archived program where this occurred. Milt archives most of his shows. They are very good.

Milt was aghast at the activity which was swirling around his broadcast, and the episode made the national news. But, Milt didn’t cave in to the Obamabots, as some have nicknamed them.

People see through these type of stalinist tactics. It is not attractive, and people get fed up quickly with it. Who would want to be governed by these pests, anyway? Legions of them would infest our government in an Obama presidency.

Maybe Obama was one of these agitators when he started out his career as a ‘community organizer’, using the tactics invented by the communist activist Saul Alinsky. I think this was the case if you dig into Obama’s past on the internet.

If McCain wins yet, there will be a massive sigh of relief across this nation. You simply do not realize how people purposefully hide their more traditionalist views from public view. They have been conditioned to hide, and only whisper their true views to people that they feel are safe to expose themselves to. Things may be becoming somewhat like living in East Germany when people were careful not to reveal themselves to potential Stassi informants. I think it could get worse; much, much worse under an Obama presidency combined with the democrat party in control of most other institutions.

Remember, when Obama takes the presidency, the hard left democrats will also control the following:

Congress
Senate
Judiciary
TV Media
Most "Talking Head" commentators
Newspapers and magazines
Environmental Cause Organizations
Women's Lib Organizations
Gay Rights Organizations
ACLU
Other Activist Organizations
Hollywood
Kindergarten schools
Grade Schools
High Schools
Universities
Teachers Unions
Government Workers Unions
General Unions
Some Liberal Churches
National Public Radio
Public TV
Most Charitable Organizations
The United Nations
Many European National Governments
The European Union
Most Actors, Comics, and Musician Celebrities
etc.....add your own…


The only institution that the conservatives have is talk radio, and Nancy Pelosi has vowed to shut that down once Obama takes the presidency.

If there is some type of modern day "Bradley Effect", I suspect it will have more to do with an aversion to political correctness than it does with not being willing to vote for a black candidate.

Finally, regarding my saying I would move to Iceland if Obama is elected, that will not be easily accomplished. So, no promises. But, if I were a young man, and Obama were elected, I would absolutely be making every effort to leave this country. You democrats have simply destroyed it. Your party leaders and a large contingent of its voters are simply viscous, malcontent zealots, who will stop at NOTHING to get your way of transforming this country into your foggy notion of a socialist nirvana.

A young man can build a new life in some other country where sanity prevails, and political zealots don't patrol the airwaves, streets, and halls of government power.

If by some miracle, Americans wake up before they elect this charlatan Obama to the presidency, I am sure that there will be epithets of racism hissed through clenched teeth, and a massive screaming wail of protest from the democrats, like a spoiled brat, red faced, jumping up and down, who didn't get her way, despite using her wiliest schemes and tactics. Eight years of vilifying Bush, wishing for the worst in Iraq, bashing the USA, etc, etc.......and all for naught!!

Then, the nightmare beast of the democratic party and the political correctness goons will soon gear up for the next political Armageddon, plotting more voter fraud, and enfranchising more voters from the ranks of the felons, illegal aliens and what not. They NEVER stop. They are indefatigable. They are like a hideous pink bunny, constantly on the march. They keep going, and going, and going…….

One very key difference between the republicans and the democrats is that republicans are just a political party, and if they win an election, they step into govern the country. The democrats, on the other hand, are a true political movement and machine. They view themselves as a PROFESSIONAL governing class and a mighty, unstoppable cause that is destined, by right, to govern the country, and to impose their vision of a perfected state of governance.

This is a deadly serious cause for democrats, and few democratic party operatives have any desire for anything other than a political career. They are apparatchiks, and have no desire for a life outside of political governance. This is the reason that the democrats behave the way they do, and will literally stop at nothing to achieve power. And once they are in power, they will use every lever of government to retain power, to cement their rule. This is why voter fraud, which I think most Americans look upon as anathema, is viewed as simply a necessary tactic by democrats. It is one means to what they regard as an absolutely critical end; their ascension to power.

Republicans, if they lose an election, just go home and go back to their families and the private sector. It is not the end of the world for them, at all.

This country has been transformed by the democrats and the massive political correctness mania which has ensnared every institution I listed above.

The movie "No Country for Old Men" said it all. The main character in the movie, an old Texas lawman nearing the end of his career, finds that he can barely recognize the country he knew as a young man. The movie focused on the drug trade along the Texas-Mexican border as the evil he confronted, along with the broader degradation of society.

But, to me, beyond the obvious disintegration of civic society in all manner which has occurred , another evil which has transformed the nation is the ruthless drive to political power which the democrats have exhibited over the past few decades, increasing in its ferocity with each election cycle. It seems that the democrats will literally stop at nothing to gain power. Whether it is a war in Iraq which they seemed to have taken a “see I told you so” glee when they assumed that we would lose, or the current economic dire circumstances we face, some of which can reasonably be laid at their feet, they never miss the chance to turn events into propaganda for their cause. It is truly despicable.


I have only one conclusion:

An Obama presidency will be a launching pad to cement the democratic party into a virtual monopoly on political power over the American nation which might likely last for generations. And, such a monopoly could likely, permanently change the nature of the American nation, overturning it’s traditions which transformed a wilderness continent into the strongest, most vibrant nation on earth, and the saving grace of the world for the past two centuries.

Truly, it will be “No Country for Old Men”. Or young men, either.

Posted by: CoolBreeze  
Oct 06, 11:17 PM
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Shripathi Kamath Wrote:
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> CoolBreeze Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > PARTISANSHIP/ FOREIGN POLICY/ WAR
> > I believed that Palin made an excellent point
> when
> > she mentioned that Barack Obama voted in favor
> of
> > his party 96% of the time.
>
> What was the excellence? Did Obama claim
> something to the contrary? If he did, then yup,
> it is an excellent point. If not, it is simply an
> indication that he is a loyal Democrat.
>
> Contrast this to someone calling themselves a
> maverick. A maverick who wishes to distance
> himself from the current administration, and one
> who claims to bring change.
>
> And he votes with Bush 90% of the time.
>
> That is an excellent point, because it actually
> refutes something.
>
>
> > She said we should put
> > partisanship behind if we auth to focus our
> > interest in the benefit of this country.
>
> Why? So that we can have ineffective $700 billion
> bailouts that both parties agree to?
>
> > Well I
> > guest this is why Obama chose Joe Biden as his
> > running mate. Unlike Obama, Joe Biden voted for
> > the war before voting against it and they are
> > nothing wrong with that.
>
> Incorrect. Biden voted for the authorization to
> wage war. That's all. I'd like to know which
> votes you are referring to . As far as I know,
> there was no vote against a war.
>
> > Palin criticized Joe
> > Biden for flip flapping but what she hasn’t
> > realized is that this is a man who learns from
> his
> > mistakes.
>
> Because Palin memorized a cliche.
>
>
> > CLIMENT CHANGE
> > In this part of the debate we all saw clearly
> that
> > Sarah Palin has no understanding about the
> cause
> > of global climent change. She specifically said
> > that “I don’t want to argue about the cause”.
> > Biden quickly bites her up her behind by
> > responding “if you don’t understand what the
> > causes are, it is virtually impossible to come
> up
> > with a solution”. There it’s obvious that Sarah
> > Palin is farting higher than her nose can smell.
>
> > Now, I’m a boiler mechanic and those of us who
> > works in the mechanical field understand that
> you
> > can’t troubleshoot a control if you don’t have
> the
> > proper tools and the understanding of its
> > appropriate and function.
>
> Maybe you are not the Joe six-pack who relates to
> Palin. Then again, I am yet to find one.
>
> >
> > SUBPRIME MORTGAGES
> > Sarah Palin gave a compelling argument in
> regard
> > to sub prime mortgages. She argues that
> predatory
> > lending is mostly the cause of the mortgage
> > failure.
>
>
> Ah, so you believe this argument, then? You
> believe that "predatory lenders" invaded your home
> and forced you, at gunpoint to borrow money on a
> house you could not possibly afford?
>
> > She specifically stated that it’s mainly
> > because of corporate greed and deception and
> she’s
> > 100% right.
>
> Eliminate "corporate" from above, and I'll to
> agree with you.
>
>
> > GAY MARIAGE
> > It is obvious that the definition of marriage
> that
> > both parties base their opinions on if from a
> > Christian value. The problem with that is that
> not
> > all of us are Christians, some of us are
> Muslim,
> > and others are not religious. Therefore, basing
> > decisions of marital values on the concept of
> > Christianity is bound to be unfair. Religion is
> a
> > touchy subject which I don’t like to talk about
> > but Sarah Palin invoked people to talk on the
> > issue. When you’re a candidate of this
> magnitude
> > anything you say publicly will bring attention,
> > attention that may be a disservice to another
> > group. She does not support constitutional
> benefit
> > for gay couples. Under McCain & Palin
> > administrator no gay couples should have
> visiting
> > right, property or the right to have joint life
> > insurance policies. Whereas under Obama &
> McCain
> > administration those rights will be insuring,
> you
> > heard Joe Biden, he said this is what our
> > constitution call for. It makes a significant
> > difference to gay couples; having those rights
> is
> > one step away from getting married. Now, the
> > question that arises is why is it so important
> for
> > gay people to want to get married. Having those
> > rights is significant enough the only different
> is
> > that the state doesn’t recognize gay marriage.
> > Would it right to think of it in that manner or
> > shall we say it’s unacceptable because if
> > heterosexual have that right so should gay
> people.
> > The problem with this logic is that it offers a
> > discriminatory view to the issue by given
> > preference to one group while bashing another.
> The
> > other advantage that comes with gay marriage as
> my
> > brother indicated is that it offers them the
> same
> > benefit to heterosexuals when visiting other
> > countries. As long as America remains the main
> > focus of attraction, foreigners will always
> want
> > to come here. And none married heterosexual can
> > always get laid by offering women the
> opportunity
> > to come to America. Now, ask yourself this
> > question ….why wouldn’t gay people want that
> > opportunity?
>
> That's not an interesting question.
>
> The question you have to ask is why gay people
> getting married affects evangelicals in any way?


AMEN ....I AGREE I should have been more conservative .... I was too blunt I admit .

Posted by: Fanny  
Oct 06, 05:35 PM
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I can't agree more with this article.
I think Obama and Biden should stick to what attracted people to them in the first place, courteousy and real/sincere motivation to bring change in people s' life. I don't think it is a good strategy to give in to the path of dishonorable attacks chosen by McCain. I don't think it will resonnate well in viewers mind (indpendant and undecided). The reason why Obama and Biden did better in the debates is because of course, they have more substance in theireconomic plans and they offer more strategies to help the country besides war and more war but also because they appeared to be more civil and less desperate to win at all costs, by all means.
Let the McCain campaign dig their own pit and let America and world see how nasty and hypocrite this ticket is. Obama's gain in the polls is not entirely due to the economy. I think people like their personnality so they should focus on remaining cool.
As for Palin's racist and twisted comments, I advise her to leave her faded christianity behind her. I don't know under which banner she is running but certainly not under Jesus Christ's..

Posted by: Shripathi Kamath  
Oct 06, 04:25 PM
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CoolBreeze Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> PARTISANSHIP/ FOREIGN POLICY/ WAR
> I believed that Palin made an excellent point when
> she mentioned that Barack Obama voted in favor of
> his party 96% of the time.

What was the excellence? Did Obama claim something to the contrary? If he did, then yup, it is an excellent point. If not, it is simply an indication that he is a loyal Democrat.

Contrast this to someone calling themselves a maverick. A maverick who wishes to distance himself from the current administration, and one who claims to bring change.

And he votes with Bush 90% of the time.

That is an excellent point, because it actually refutes something.


> She said we should put
> partisanship behind if we auth to focus our
> interest in the benefit of this country.

Why? So that we can have ineffective $700 billion bailouts that both parties agree to?

> Well I
> guest this is why Obama chose Joe Biden as his
> running mate. Unlike Obama, Joe Biden voted for
> the war before voting against it and they are
> nothing wrong with that.

Incorrect. Biden voted for the authorization to wage war. That's all. I'd like to know which votes you are referring to . As far as I know, there was no vote against a war.

> Palin criticized Joe
> Biden for flip flapping but what she hasn’t
> realized is that this is a man who learns from his
> mistakes.

Because Palin memorized a cliche.


> CLIMENT CHANGE
> In this part of the debate we all saw clearly that
> Sarah Palin has no understanding about the cause
> of global climent change. She specifically said
> that “I don’t want to argue about the cause”.
> Biden quickly bites her up her behind by
> responding “if you don’t understand what the
> causes are, it is virtually impossible to come up
> with a solution”. There it’s obvious that Sarah
> Palin is farting higher than her nose can smell.
> Now, I’m a boiler mechanic and those of us who
> works in the mechanical field understand that you
> can’t troubleshoot a control if you don’t have the
> proper tools and the understanding of its
> appropriate and function.

Maybe you are not the Joe six-pack who relates to Palin. Then again, I am yet to find one.

>
> SUBPRIME MORTGAGES
> Sarah Palin gave a compelling argument in regard
> to sub prime mortgages. She argues that predatory
> lending is mostly the cause of the mortgage
> failure.


Ah, so you believe this argument, then? You believe that "predatory lenders" invaded your home and forced you, at gunpoint to borrow money on a house you could not possibly afford?

> She specifically stated that it’s mainly
> because of corporate greed and deception and she’s
> 100% right.

Eliminate "corporate" from above, and I'll to agree with you.


> GAY MARIAGE
> It is obvious that the definition of marriage that
> both parties base their opinions on if from a
> Christian value. The problem with that is that not
> all of us are Christians, some of us are Muslim,
> and others are not religious. Therefore, basing
> decisions of marital values on the concept of
> Christianity is bound to be unfair. Religion is a
> touchy subject which I don’t like to talk about
> but Sarah Palin invoked people to talk on the
> issue. When you’re a candidate of this magnitude
> anything you say publicly will bring attention,
> attention that may be a disservice to another
> group. She does not support constitutional benefit
> for gay couples. Under McCain & Palin
> administrator no gay couples should have visiting
> right, property or the right to have joint life
> insurance policies. Whereas under Obama & McCain
> administration those rights will be insuring, you
> heard Joe Biden, he said this is what our
> constitution call for. It makes a significant
> difference to gay couples; having those rights is
> one step away from getting married. Now, the
> question that arises is why is it so important for
> gay people to want to get married. Having those
> rights is significant enough the only different is
> that the state doesn’t recognize gay marriage.
> Would it right to think of it in that manner or
> shall we say it’s unacceptable because if
> heterosexual have that right so should gay people.
> The problem with this logic is that it offers a
> discriminatory view to the issue by given
> preference to one group while bashing another. The
> other advantage that comes with gay marriage as my
> brother indicated is that it offers them the same
> benefit to heterosexuals when visiting other
> countries. As long as America remains the main
> focus of attraction, foreigners will always want
> to come here. And none married heterosexual can
> always get laid by offering women the opportunity
> to come to America. Now, ask yourself this
> question ….why wouldn’t gay people want that
> opportunity?

That's not an interesting question.

The question you have to ask is why gay people getting married affects evangelicals in any way?

Posted by: Zazazuzie  
Oct 05, 09:31 PM
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Palin is just not presidential, or vice presidential. We get it - but that's not really the point. If Obama had picked a woman VP, not Hillary, apparently based on her looks, rather than her qualifications to be president - if the need arose, what do you think his critics would be saying now? 'Very bad judgment, putting our country in jeopardy with an obvious political gimmick, not a responsible choice. WHAT WAS HE THINKING? ' Truthfully, I'd be saying that. I'd be looking for another candidate. If McCain showed me any common sense, or stability, any apparent capability to appoint good, capable, people to important positions, if he showed me he is - not - a grouchy, old, incompetent politician who is behind an unnecessary war, the deregulation policies of Washington, and the greed of big business, which has put us where we are today, I'd be voting for him for president, and whoever a responsible, viable presidential candidate like that would pick for V.P.

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Oct 05, 10:34 AM
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ThisLatino4Obama Wrote:
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> Anarcho-Republican Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ThisLatino4Obama Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Too bad that Captain McCain might be pulling
> > your
> > > so called all American team out of PA and FL
> to.
> >
> > > Key battleground state's!
> >
> > Out of PA and FL...I don't think so...no, but
> you
> > might see Gov. Palin and her Alpha Male union
> > hubby walking the assembly line in Detriot.
>
>
> Actually Anarcho-Republican, from the rumor's that
> are out there, he might be. Check out Yahoo!,
> there's a few article's that are bound to be
> there.


thanks I'll check them out!

But its time for a Reality check...don't get me wrong what's fun about politics is its offer of the escape from reality...

He's only 3 points behind Obama in both states according to the all-knowing RCP poll...if he's not going to compete in FL and PA...whats he gonna do for next 30 Days?...Apparently the moneys just pouring in..if fact just today a few thousand disgrunted Bay Area Californians are slapping down $2500 just to cross palms and nibble cheese with Gov. Palin.

Posted by: ThisLatino4Obama  
Oct 04, 11:40 PM
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Anarcho-Republican Wrote:
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> ThisLatino4Obama Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Too bad that Captain McCain might be pulling
> your
> > so called all American team out of PA and FL to.
>
> > Key battleground state's!
>
> Out of PA and FL...I don't think so...no, but you
> might see Gov. Palin and her Alpha Male union
> hubby walking the assembly line in Detriot.


Actually Anarcho-Republican, from the rumor's that are out there, he might be. Check out Yahoo!, there's a few article's that are bound to be there.

Posted by: ThisLatino4Obama  
Oct 04, 11:28 PM
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KQuark Wrote:
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> Palin was like a comedian who ran out of material
> after an hour so she kept on repeating the same
> rehearsed lines over and over again.
>
> Palin did not understand what the colloquialism
> "Achilles heal" meant when Gwen Ifill asked that
> question.
>
> Palin said that the financial crisis was caused by
> lack of oversight and regulations in the beginning
> of the debate. However during the rest of the
> debate she railed against government intervention
> and regulations whether they were discussing the
> economy, health care, education or energy policy.
>
> The real surprise of the night was that Joe Biden
> exceeded expectations. Biden expressed his depth
> and breadth of knowledge on all the issues in a
> way that could relate to all Americans. Joe showed
> that he is the ultimate family man and relates
> with every American family.
>
> Throughout the debate Biden was on McCain's six
> like a fighter pilot with radar lock and since
> playing defense is much harder than offense
> because it requires independent thought Palin
> bailed out on defending McCain. Palin could not
> defend McCain's now radical position of staying in
> Iraq indefinitely. Palin could not give one
> example of how McCain was different than Bush on
> foreign or economic policy. Just saying Maverick
> over and over does not cut for voters who really
> want policy change in this country.


I couldn't agree more KQuark. These first two debate's, you would have thought that they would have done more to fix they're campaign. Thus far they haven't even come close.

Not to mention, I discovered a rumor around the Medical Center, right here in San Antonio that many doctor's including here in Texas state that they are signing a petition requesting McCain's healthcare plan's even from the past. After asking a couple of doctor's about it, the rumor seem's to be true. WOW! That's pretty sad considering that the State of Texas is an all out Republican supporting state that you've got many here in the medical field that are so concerned with John McCain's plan. I guess his plan of deregulation of healthcare is not such a great idea after all.

Posted by: CoolBreeze  
Oct 04, 09:39 PM
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ECONOMY
The economy is definitely the main focus in this election. I think both Sarah Palin & Joe Baden response to the $7000 bailout was fair enough. However, Joe Biden made an excellent point by emphasizing on how people can possibly make money of the rescue plan. The point is that by offering a bailout opportunity to corporations when they fail placed a lesser penalty on the consequence of failure which thereby causes them to be financially careless. That is to say if every time I missed out on my mortgage payments because of my failure to budget properly my uncle is there to dish out the remaining balance, depending on him all the time can cause me not to budget at all. It is this way of thinking that causes people to ponder on the failure of AIG specially when it’s the tax payer’s money that must be use to rescue them.

Joe Biden said “the middle class is the economic engine” and his 100% right. Those of you who know my reputation on this forum knows that this is something I’ve been stressing all alone. When the middle class of a country began to fall, it signifies the beginning of the failure of that country’s economy structure. Joe Biden & Obama are right; the reconstruction of the economy from the bottom up is by far the best plan. If you think about it elites establish wealth from the work of other people which mean that elites can only exist as long as people have jobs. To build a strong economy those jobs must be fundamentally stable unable to be outsourced. The challenge that Barack Obama & Joe Biden face is how do you create jobs that can’t be outsource under globalization. Now Sarah Palin clam that the middle class families are those who make $42,000 a year. I believed that clam is debatable because in regard to inflation, if $ 42,000 is considered middle class than our monitory system has not been affected by inflation. Or perhaps I’m wrong because since I’ve been a New Yorker most of my life, my living expanse is different than most of the other states it causes me to think that $ 42,000 is little money.

Now Gov. Palin & McCain are dissatisfied with the way the Federal Government has been running things and I’m certain a lots of citizens are too but do they make the law that governs them or is it congress. That’s what Palin should have thought about before running her mouth initiating blame. The Fed proposed the $7000 bailout plan as an attempt to help rescue the economy, it may not have been the best plan but an a shot time like that what other option could they have thought about. As it is now if anyone had a better option they would have proposed it. It seemed to me that the only option we’re left with is to let the economy roll and what ever happen …happened.

PARTISANSHIP/ FOREIGN POLICY/ WAR
I believed that Palin made an excellent point when she mentioned that Barack Obama voted in favor of his party 96% of the time. She said we should put partisanship behind if we auth to focus our interest in the benefit of this country. Well I guest this is why Obama chose Joe Biden as his running mate. Unlike Obama, Joe Biden voted for the war before voting against it and they are nothing wrong with that. Palin criticized Joe Biden for flip flapping but what she hasn’t realized is that this is a man who learns from his mistakes. Whereas McCain still think we winning the war in Iraq while we’re still spending $10 billion a month of tax payer’s money that contributed in directing our economy into a down turn. This war has to end because abviously it offers no benefit to the American people. Under Barack Obama & Joe Biden administration they will be a time line to end this war by shifting responsibilities to the Iraqis government. Obama’s plan is to focus his attention on Afghanistan where the Taliban originated. Under McCain administration you have one option and that is to leave Iraq only when the Iraqi government can secure its people. And how will the American people know when that has happened, when our general informs us. Talking about white flag Palin's proposition triggered a red flag to the American people. Now we all know that nuclear weapon is dangerous to all human life. Therefore, a nuclear Iran or North Korea is as dangerous as a nuclear America. The world sees no justification when Sarah Palin justifies us using nuclear weapon as a deterrent, that my friend is lack of diplomacy. If you know your S_H_I_T stink you don’t lay it out there for people to smell. She should not have mentioned that part period. People will tell you that you should do as you say. I guest that gave us a hint about her experience in foreign policy.

CLIMENT CHANGE
In this part of the debate we all saw clearly that Sarah Palin has no understanding about the cause of global climent change. She specifically said that “I don’t want to argue about the cause”. Biden quickly bites her up her behind by responding “if you don’t understand what the causes are, it is virtually impossible to come up with a solution”. There it’s obvious that Sarah Palin is farting higher than her nose can smell. Now, I’m a boiler mechanic and those of us who works in the mechanical field understand that you can’t troubleshoot a control if you don’t have the proper tools and the understanding of its appropriate and function. Folks it’s exactly the same thing, by her saying that she doesn’t want to talk about the cause showed that she’s incompetent about the issue.

SUBPRIME MORTGAGES
Sarah Palin gave a compelling argument in regard to sub prime mortgages. She argues that predatory lending is mostly the cause of the mortgage failure. She specifically stated that it’s mainly because of corporate greed and deception and she’s 100% right. You can not have me believed that those who laid the foundation for the cause of this mortgage failure are not partly to blame for it. Some will argue that if I say to jump from the empire state building would you jump? As if to say the borrowers new about the risk involved why did they jump when they should not, that is not true. Those who were financially incline perhaps suspected a clap but not most. I new about the claps to occur through WBAI but no one would listen to me, I’m no financial analyst. Nonetheless, most people who entered the mortgage market entered it blindly because they thought by jumping off the empire state building they’ll be able to fly. Obama also predicted it in fact made some effort to stop it but was unsuccessful. To stop it would require the involvement of many congressmen which was not possible. The mortgage crisis gave ways to the redistribution of wealth in America. If they is any time to transfer wealth to those that are already super rich is at a time when a regression is at the edge.

GAY MARIAGE
It is obvious that the definition of marriage that both parties base their opinions on if from a Christian value. The problem with that is that not all of us are Christians, some of us are Muslim, and others are not religious. Therefore, basing decisions of marital values on the concept of Christianity is bound to be unfair. Religion is a touchy subject which I don’t like to talk about but Sarah Palin invoked people to talk on the issue. When you’re a candidate of this magnitude anything you say publicly will bring attention, attention that may be a disservice to another group. She does not support constitutional benefit for gay couples. Under McCain & Palin administrator no gay couples should have visiting right, property or the right to have joint life insurance policies. Whereas under Obama & McCain administration those rights will be insuring, you heard Joe Biden, he said this is what our constitution call for. It makes a significant difference to gay couples; having those rights is one step away from getting married. Now, the question that arises is why is it so important for gay people to want to get married. Having those rights is significant enough the only different is that the state doesn’t recognize gay marriage. Would it right to think of it in that manner or shall we say it’s unacceptable because if heterosexual have that right so should gay people. The problem with this logic is that it offers a discriminatory view to the issue by given preference to one group while bashing another. The other advantage that comes with gay marriage as my brother indicated is that it offers them the same benefit to heterosexuals when visiting other countries. As long as America remains the main focus of attraction, foreigners will always want to come here. And none married heterosexual can always get laid by offering women the opportunity to come to America. Now, ask yourself this question ….why wouldn’t gay people want that opportunity?

Posted by: spaceman  
Oct 04, 06:19 PM
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dionne is so far up obama's butt that his head shows when obama talks. the man has not written one word of good to any one that is running against obama or one word of anything bad about obama in over 6 months. if anyone thinks he has any credibility then i have some stock in fannie mae to sell you

Posted by: SarahWho?  
Oct 04, 11:36 AM
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“Master Debater”, A Haiku in Headlines.



Smart Sarah Stumbles,

Beehive Bimbo Blathers Bull,

Right, Rednecks Rave.

Posted by: Notgonna BuyitThisTime  
Oct 04, 09:39 AM
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This Excerpt from another article on RCP sums it up well:

"The dumbing down of the GOP"

Why aren't more conservatives disgusted that their party nominated a person devoid of qualifications for the vice presidency (again)?

By Joe Conason

[www.salon.com]

"There was a time when conservatives lamented the dumbing down of American culture. Preservation of basic standards in schools and workplaces compelled them -- or so they said -- to resist affirmative action for women and minorities. Qualifications mattered; merit mattered; and demagogic appeals for leveling were to be left to the Democrats.

Not anymore.

Actually, the Palin phenomenon is the culmination of a trend that can be traced back to Dan Quayle, the undistinguished Indiana senator whose elevation onto the Republican ticket in 1988 had nothing to do with intellect or experience and everything to do with the youthful appeal of a handsome blond frat boy. (That was how Republican strategists thought they would attract female voters back then, which must be why they believe Palin represents progress.) Quayle too was unable to articulate, let alone defend, the policy positions for which he was supposed to be campaigning. He too had to undergo the surgical stuffing of stock phrases into his head as a minimal substitute for knowledge and thought. And in the same sad way, he too benefited from the drastically reduced expectations applied to anyone whose inadequacy is so obvious."

The difference this time is it isn't going to work.

What next - - - in another 20 years we'll be treated to a Lesbian Log Cabin Republican VP Nominee to try to win the Gay vote demographic at a time when the major "get out the vote issue" will be the overturning of all the State Constitutional Amendments banning Gay Marriage?

The current Republican Party bears no resemblance to actual Conservatism. It is instead a cobbled together band of:

1) non-rational religious (EVEN the "founding fathers" who many claim were strict Christians favored rationality and reason over religious dogma),
2) anti-government (except for promotion of point 3 following or to protect the interests of those in point 5 following)
3) imperialist (promoting "national security", again far and beyond any conception of the founding fathers, to the extent of subjugating the world to further "our interests")
4) idolatrous (venerating capitalism and "free markets" above and beyond all other considerations including any consideration of their potential negative effects)
5) Corporatists. Idealizing and romanticizing an institution and form of organization, which is afforded many rights and responsibilities under the law given to actual human beings, as if it were the only organizational form capable of organizing the large amounts of capital required for certain productive processes, and whose very principles of existence and governance, when subjected to review would classify it as a Sociopath were it actually a human being.

Glad to not be part of it anymore.

P.S. to naysayers - I really was. My first vote in a Presidential Election was for Reagan in 1980.

Posted by: Florida Rez  
Oct 04, 07:29 AM
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In the debates, Joe Biden was absolutely WRONG in his answer on duties of the VP as spelled out by the contstitution. Look it up. I did again, just to be sure. And wow, Joe doesn't know what the VP powers are as dictated by the constitution. Maybe that's because - as Joe himself once said - he has no interest in being VP. Also, in the debate, Joe said he intends to sit in the room with Obama on every single important decision he would make as president. So let me get this straight, Joe's actually admitting Obama's so inexperienced he needs a babysitter?

Posted by: Anarcho-Republican  
Oct 04, 05:48 AM
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pviel Wrote:
> I am so enjoying watching you Republican folks
> squirm. As the wheels come off all you can do is
> blindly follow over the cliff.

You know come to think of it I did get the impression this week while our Nation's finanical future tilted over the cliff, Senator Obama and his supporters did seem like they were really celebrating. ..I get it America's misfortune was benefiting his campaign.


pviel Wrote:
>Take heart though
> the Democrats really mean it when they say they
> want to make this country a better place to live.

That is somehow less then comforting, is there somewhere special the Democrats plan on sending people like myself who disagree with them?


pviel Wrote:
> You will benefit along with the people you called
> names and smugly spouted your nana na na na's to.

smug perhaps... but a name caller never ...
perhaps you identify so strongly with your left wing ideas so strongly that you've confused my ridicule of them with an attack on your person.


pviel Wrote:
> This is a done deal we win this time you lose.

"The Fix" is really in Huh??...you know that's what I was afraid of...it sure does seem like that
I'm curious what finally cinched it?
Voter Fraud ? or the compliant Pro Obama mainstream Media? and army of Liberal Lawyers?


pviel Wrote:
>So blast away - cheer John and Sarah just don't be disapointed when they lose.

You might be surprised to find that after the campaign is over my plans are to fully support My President ..And that will be the man who wins not necessarily the one I voted for...But that's what grown ups do.

Posted by: NV Diane  
Oct 04, 03:32 AM
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Ed....keep your Gov. Sarah. I don't want her.
Let her expose all your Alaskan corruption.
It sounds like you guys have as much corruption
up there as you have barrels of oil.
Let her take on that CANADIAN company
she awarded the big pipeline job to.
Is that what you Alaskans call country first?
Even Gov. Sarah knows how to outsource
American jobs.
And her pathetic hockey mom crap needs
to stop. I know a lot of hockey moms
who wouldn't want to sit next to her at
the kids game.
If she winks at the camera one more time
oh gosh by golly I might just puke.
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> I am from Alaska and am not surprised at all the
> opposition to our Gov. Sarah. Even here the local
> legislature is trying her in absentia over a
> trooper brother in-law who turned out not to be a
> keeper for her sister.
> She beat two former Governors out for the job by
> being Sarah.
> We do not pretend to be sophisticated to each
> other or dress to the nines.
> We accept others as they present themselves. If we
> do not like you it is not hidden from you.
> Corruption has been exposed here and has shook up
> both major political parties here.
> If you want real change in DC vote her in, John
> Mcain is part of the package though.
> All she wants is what is right for her
> family,city,state and now the natiion.
> Obviously basketball and beauty contests were not
> challenging enough.
> Take heed America.Sarah has stepped foot into the
> lower 48 and DC will throw more arrows,guns knives
> her way.

Posted by: RCB  
Oct 04, 03:05 AM
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Mr. Dionne should learn how to think before calling out others for alleged lies. If Senator McCain said he asked Gov. Palin for advice several times in the past, then the term "past" includes a period of time running from the statement to the time of Gov. Palin's appointment to the ticket. Yet Mr. Dionne dishonestly ignored this period of time during which Sen. McCain most likely has repeatedly asked Gov. for her advice in order to call Sen. McCain a liar because he only talked to Gov. Palin twice before appointing her to the ticket. This is patently dishonest and should be beneath Mr. Dionne's dignity, who describes himself as an observant Catholic. Are American politics so tendentious that we can't even count on Catholics to tell the truth? Sad.

Posted by: pecanpii  
Oct 04, 02:45 AM
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Biden: Cheney, he said, “doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States. That's the executive. He works in the executive branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.” Article I sets out the role of Congress and the vice president’s position as president of the Senate. Article II does the executive branch.

... the “idea that he's a part of the legislative branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of the unitary executive.”

Joe already rewriting the Constitution and not even in office yet???

Posted by: Joe Maybe You Drank a Sixpack  
Oct 04, 01:53 AM
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you said not to question motives, but you questioned McCain's, though I guess if McCain said it, it's not really questioning...

anyway, other than that, here here, agree with your sentiment.

Posted by: Joe Can't Afford a Sixpack  
Oct 04, 01:51 AM
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As Biden said last night, don't question someone's motives, question their judgement.

I sincerely believe Republicans thought George Bush would be a good President and that he would be for the country. I trust Republicans that they would vote for the President that they would think is best for the country. If they really think hair-trigger McCain who has said in his memoir that his quest for President is not about patriotism but out of his ambition for the top job in the land (google it), that is their choice.

I choose to disagree, and thankfully the United States of America disagrees. But please do not ridicule those that disagree just because you support the other ticket, it does no good.

And besides, after 8 years of the worst economic management in history of at least this country, the country will need a lot of sympathy and empathy. It is going to get ugly out there and whatever party the person belongs to that is getting hosed by foreclosures and layoffs that are happening during this administration, they all need our help. Or at least kindness.

Take heart true fiscal conservatives, 80% of economists polled by the The Economist magazine (in this issue) believe Obama's economic plan for America is better for the country and that he has formed the best Economic team.

Change is coming, no need to be arrogant about it, these are not happy times...

[www.economist.com]

Posted by: pviel  
Oct 04, 01:30 AM
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I am so enjoying watching you Republican folks squirm. As the wheels come off all you can do is blindly follow over the cliff. Take heart though the Democrats really mean it when they say they want to make this country a better place to live. You will benefit along with the people you called names and smugly spouted your nana na na na's to.

This is a done deal we win this time you lose.

Palin cinched by avoiding the questions in the debate, telling outright verifiable falsehoods, being rude to the moderator and waving her own white flag by refusing to tell anyone what victory in Iraq is and verifying John McCain has no clue either.

So blast away - cheer John and Sarah just don't be disapointed when they lose.

Anarcho-Republican Wrote:
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> DJ
>
> Thin Ice???
>
> I just watched the latest Palin TV
> interview...that woman is doing it again, hitting
> all the right points, pummelling Obama and
> confidently controlling the entire
> interview...What happens If she suddenly gets the
> hang of this, then starts pummeling Obama for a
> month or so while The World, The View,
> Entertainment Tonight and even liberals can't turn
> away???? And then everyone starts talking about
> her again...and then we know what happens...
>
> DJ Sorry its too late you already wrote this
>
> She's learning her job as Vice President
> Baracuda... buckle down Obama!

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ThisLatino4Obama Wrote:
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> Too bad that Captain McCain might be pulling your
> so called all American team out of PA and FL to.
> Key battleground state's!

Out of PA and FL...I don't think so...no, but you might see Gov. Palin and her Alpha Male union hubby walking the assembly line in Detriot.

Posted by: Anarcho-Republican  
Oct 04, 12:01 AM
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pecanpii Wrote:
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> Biden: “When we kicked — along with France, we
> kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack
> said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum,
> because if you don’t know — if you don’t,
> Hezbollah will control it.” Now what’s happened?
> Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government
> in the country immediately to the north of
> Israel.”
>
he really did didn't he?
And you know what's sad no one cares...because he is completely irrelevant, nobody is talking about him tonight.

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Oct 03, 11:42 PM
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Biden: “When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.” Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.”

As near as anyone can tell that statement was a hallucination of Joe Biden--or maybe a fantasy. A quick check of the event that never happened should satisfy any questions. Some suggest it may have happened in a parallel universe - but not on this planet.

LOTS more "Biden untruths" at Hotair, NRO, Commentary, and the McCain page.

yeah--this is the guy you need for VP -- to the liberals a lie is not a lie as long as another liberal tells it...so of course they'd say he won. Right Mr. Dionne???

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Oct 03, 11:27 PM
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Too bad that Captain McCain might be pulling your so called all American team out of PA and FL to. Key battleground state's! Boy, I thought serving would have taught you one very valueable lesson. No Surrender!

Eagle Fan 2 Wrote:
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> I watched last night and am also voting Republican
> for the first time in my life. Biden bragging
> about beating up Judge Bork? He just lost my
> vote. Ask any of my working middle class PA
> Democrat friends. We are all for an all American
> team. Go Sarah! and Pens too. I am a hockey
> dad.
>
>
>
> PA Donkey Wrote:
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> > I hate to admit it but I am voting for a
> > Republican for the first time in my life. I am
> a
> > FDR Democrat, enjoy hunting and go to church.
> > Obama doesn't get my values, ala his San
> Francisco
> > speech. I am sorry Uncle Charlie....I am for
> John
> > and Sarah. Go Eagles.

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Oct 03, 11:16 PM
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Ed Brown Wrote:
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> Take heed America.Sarah has stepped foot into the
> lower 48 and DC will throw more arrows,guns knives
> her way.

Do we really need another metaphor about lipsticks and even-toed hoofed mammals, when you talk about what she stepped her feet in?

Posted by: ThisLatino4Obama