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> > beth barnat Wrote:
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> > > Matt Weiss Wrote:
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> > > > Aside from unsubstantiated and very vague
> > > > accusations, can we see some concrete
> > examples
> > > of
> > > > this fatal arrogance? What was he supposed
> > to
> > > do
> > > > when meeting with world leaders? Wear
> shorts?
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > First he was raked over the coals because
> he
> > > > hadn't been to Iraq and hadn't shown his
> > > foreign
> > > > policy chops. Now he's getting savaged for
> > > > looking too dignified overseas. Meanwhile,
> > > McCain
> > > > is talking about the notorious
> "Iraq-Pakistan
> > > > border," bemoaning Russian treatment of
> > > someplace
> > > > called Czechoslovakia, and attributing the
> > > Anbar
> > > > Awakening to the surge when, in fact, it
> came
> > > > first. I guess if these things put a
> little
> > > dent
> > > > in my confidence in McCain's vaunted
> foreign
> > > > affairs credibility I must be a mindless
> > > Obamabot.
> > > > Oh, well. Can't let the facts get in the
> > way
> > > of
> > > > name calling.
> > > >
> > > > In fact, people like Fareed Zakaria and
> David
> > > > Brooks have both praised the complexity of
> > > Obama's
> > > > thinking on foreign affairs (though Brooks
> > > > criticized his speech this week in the NY
> > > Times),
> > > > as have many others. The truth is that,
> for
> > > some
> > > > of you, it wouldn't matter if the guy
> solved
> > > the
> > > > crises in Burma, Darfur and the West Bank
> > > tomorrow
> > > > (no, I don't believe he could); you'd find
> > some
> > > > way to bash him.
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > Here are is a Laundry List of Barack Obama's
> > > Lies:
> > >
> >
> [
www.audacityofhypocrisy.com]
> > >
> > > These lies are examples of his arrogance.
> > >
> > > Here's another example:
> > >
> > >
> >
> [
race42008.com]
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> >
> > >
> >
> e-obama-iraq-documentary-whatever-the-politics-dem
>
> >
> > > and/
> > >
> > > If someone has experience and qualifications
> > for
> > > an office or a positions, a few mistakes can
> be
> > > forgiven and understood, but with the
> > razor-thin
> > > resume that Obama possesses, everything he
> says
> > > and does is much more imporant. He has
> > virtually
> > > no track record of success or
> accomplishments.
> > >
> > > Name one piece of legislation that he wrote
> and
> > > saw through to passage. And I'm not talking
> > about
> > > bills that people tacked his name onto to
> make
> > his
> > > resume look good.
> > >
> > > I'm still waiting for Willy39 to give me a
> list
> > of
> > > Barack Obama's accomplishments and
> > qualifications
> > > for the office of POTUS.
> > >
> > > "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we
> > > practice to deceive."
> > >
> > > By the way, how old are all you Obama
> > supporters
> > > on this thread. I get the impression that
> you
> > are
> > > youngsters. I'd love to know.
> >
> >
> > Forty-one years old, for the record. If that
> > makes me a "youngster" in your book, many
> thanks.
> > It's been a little while since I've been called
> > one.
>
>
> Your "laundry list" (has anyone made a laundry
> list in 50 years, by the way) of lies is, in my
> view, awfully weak and the sort of thing that
> could be constructed about every politician. He
> said he'd serve out his full term? What a shock.
> How many office-holders say when running for
> office, "I might ditch this office to seek a
> higher one."? Yet it happens all the time. If
> you disqualified everyone who pledged to serve his
> full term and then ran for something
> else--particularly president, you'd radically thin
> the field. His father wasn't a goatherd? I
> suppose that could be an issue. Of course, the
> guy met his father once and met his African family
> not at all as a young person.
>
> What I find most baffling, though, is this
> obsession with this article he apparently saw as a
> child about a dark-skinned person disfiguring
> himself to look whiter. First of all, to hold a
> nine-year-old accountable for remembering where
> the article came from is bizarre. Second, does it
> matter? Does anybody with a shred of a sense of
> history deny that these sorts of things happened.
> The skin whitening and hair-straightening
> industries were and have been huge in the US for
> over 100 years. All the space given to this claim
> on the "laundry list" seems to bespeak a desire to
> deny the sort of racism Obama claims was a shock
> to him as a child. Who cares where he saw the
> story--such stories existed and I challenge you to
> come up with such a detailed accounting of what
> you read when you were nine (unless you're 11). I
> have a good memory and I couldn't do that with
> something I read 32 years ago.
>
> Finally, if you google "hillary lies list" or
> "mccain lies list" you get about 7 million hits
> (much more for Obama, though I think that says
> more about the hysteria around him than about
> whether he's told 5 million-lists-worth more lies.
> Was Hillary really always a Yankees fan? Has
> McCain really never flip-flopped on an issue?
> Want to play gotcha politics with anybody, and you
> can. We can snipe back and forth until November
> if you want. It won't help much.
>
> As for his resume, yeah, I'll admit that it's
> thin. It's thinner than his opponents'. Clearly,
> that's not what's impressed so many Americans
> about him. If experience were the sole
> qualification for a job--any job--it wouldn't make
> sense to read a resume or interview most
> candidates: just give the job to the most
> experienced guy. Nixon had a lot more experience
> than Kennedy. Douglas had more experience than
> Lincoln. Hoover had more experience than FDR
> (though not by as great a margin as the other two
> examples). In each case, experience was not
> decisive and in each case the country was better
> for it.
This is the meme Obama supporters trot out over and over again, comparing their candidate to less-experienced candidates in the past. Yes, it's true Lincoln was less experienced than Douglas...however, Lincoln was a founding member of the Republican party and was a leading thinker on the issues of his day. Obama....gave one speech in 2002 that amounted to the usual laundry list of objections as to why we shouldn't have gone in...there was nothing terribly insightful about it (I was in college then, and made the same kinds of arguments against the war to my friends over drinks...so Obama was hardly overly insightful or prescient in his thinking then).
FDR and Hoover - FDR was a successful governor of what was then the most-populous state in the country. Kenedy - 12 years in Congress. And as for other other comparisons:
Clinton - no foreign policy credentials (but he was a highly successful, long-time governor)
Carter - successful governor
Reagan (perhaps the most rich comparison of all) - a two-term governor of California - he managed the world's fourth-largest economy.
In pointing these out, it's clear that not only is Obama inexperienced, he falls vastly short. He not only has no foreign policy experience, but also no executive experience. He's never been a governor. He's never run a company. He's never run anything, near as I can tell, except his Senate staff and the Harvard Law Review.
Furthermore, he has accomplished little in public life. What were his actual achievements in the IL state senate? Not much of anything....In the US Senate? Zilch...as a law professor - nothing; he published no articles of any importance....as a community organizer? Anyone with a law degree can do public interest law (note, I'm not demeaning community organizers - I'm just saying it's not that hard to become one).
So in short, Obama is one of the least accomplished presidential candidates in American history. That has me concerned.